What's worse when losing: quitting or going out on your shield?

Quitting.

You are a boxer, why get into this sport if you plan to quit when it got tough?

 

^^ WHy not?? people change their minds all the time.. WHy do so many people quit their jobs and look for a new one, or quit college? because they realize it wasn't for them and same thing applies to fighters.. WHen they get hurt for the first time, some realize that it's not for them and they quit.. Can't blame them.

 

I thought he gave a great honest interview after the fight. He gave credit to his trainers, his corner, and the guy who beat him. He took the blame.

Most of the guys on here shouldn't talk **** about supporting fighters.. half you all steal streams of PPV and fights to watch them, giving no revenue to the fighters. You aren't there after their career ends supporting them when they are punch drunk and broken down, probably broke.

How many have sent money to the likes of Oscar Diaz or G-Man after their tragic mishaps in the ring?

I don't want to see boxers die in the ring, but I applaud those who won't ever give up, but I can applaud those who still value their health and family after their career is done.

It's a rough sport, but I'm not gonna diss a fighter for giving it his all and getting beat to hell and saying he's had enough. You can't watch the first 5 rounds of that fight and call Ortiz a *****. If he was a ***** he would have never made it this far to start with.

 

Translated: You've never quit on the Atari

 

Well said:thumbsup

 

Depends on the circumstances, if a fighter is fighting a guy with way more talent who is just kicking his ass, and the guy is just taking to many hard shot's the trainer needs to throw in the towell, or the ref should stop it..
If a fighter is in a competitive fight and it's even 50-50 and he just says **** it, he shouldn't be paid:-( **** this is a tough sport, if you can't take it retire and go sell insurance, or drive a cab...

 

:thumbsup exactly...
Ali fought Norton with a broken jaw in 1973..didn't tank it
Rocky Marciano fought Walcott in the 50's with his nose split in half..didn't tank it..
Old timers back in the early days fought sometimes 75 rounds with little or hardly any padding in those gloves, with half their face torn off and still kept going, guy's today are wimps compared to the old time fighters...

 

To the guys on this board clowning ortiz, how many of you actually participate in this sport the way he does? How many of you put the work he put in, and faught on through that kind of beating?

 

:thumbsup Excellent points. I've only boxed with friends on the front lawn and some in middle school PE & the fights rarely ended with KO's. Who am I to call somone a quitter when I quit before I even started.

 

Right. No one makes the same demands of any other type of professional athlete; only fighters. Can you imagine how incensed fans would be if a professional basketball coach demanded one of his players gut out a game with a severely torn rotator cuff, detached retina or broken bone? This is not the era of sending two gladiators into an arena with the idea that only one emerges out alive in the end. While fighting is a combat sport, it is still sport. It often seems as the athletes who are actually competing are the only ones that remember this, however.

Look at someone like Fernando Vargas - all of that promise shot to **** on silly machismo. If Vargas had been able to leave all of the pointlessness of his Oxnard roots behind, he might still be fighting and would surely be remembered as something other than a case of wasted potential.

 

This is boxing, he's getting payed big money to perform. You know you can get hurt, you know you can get hurt and get knocked down and out.


I just don't see the point of boxing when if it gets tough you quit.


EDIT - I respect that he wants to be able to speak when he gets older.

Then why the **** are you boxing?

 

Hey, I want guys to fight through pain, but how many NBA/NFL/MLB play through serious injury.. very few, you can't even continue playing in an NBA game with blood.

Yet we expected fighters to keep fighting with swollen shut eyes, cuts, broken hands, turn rotator cuffs, detached retinas, broken ear drums, broken jaws, etc.. and the so called "fans" of the sport call them pussies if they don't.

Edit: Anyone who has steps in the ring as a professional fighter is the exact ****ing opposite of a *****. A ***** would never step in the ring.

 

NBA/NFL/MLB can't be compared to boxing on the type of injuries.

Those guys are held under contract to keep their bodies healthy and together.

In boxing, you are meant to hit the other guy with chances of being hurt and cut.

Im not calling Ortiz a ***** but he's done as a fighter. No one is going to be afraid to stand up to him anymore.

 

Ortiz is only 22. He'll learn living with REGRET is far WORSE than living with defeat.

 

That's silly. Although one may or may not have a greater risk of injury in the ring on a per fight basis, boxing is also a sport where the athletes try to sustain their career as long as possible by being "healthy and together." While some fighters are known for being the types to always go out on their shield, most of the greats in this sport were/are safety first fighters to one degree or another which explains their long careers versus the blood and guts types of fighters that are burned out and brain damaged by 30. As much as I love to watch someone like Gatti fight, I can't help but feel a little guilty knowing that he wasn't the best the sport had to offer. I guess that's why I don't care much if a man knows he has been beaten and stays down when knocked down or doesn't come off of his stool when the bell rings.