What's wrong with pac's suggestion?

I already did more than once now. Stop playing dumb.

 

Why should pac be singled out? Because that's the terms of the negotiation.

Why did pac fight cotto at 145 for cotto title at 147. Every other fighter that year put their title on the line at the official weight.

Why should COTTO be singled out.

 

......and Bingo was his NAMOE!:good

Had Cotto not made weight, he would not have been fined by the boxing commision, because the commision rules state that a fighter can weigh as high as 147 lbs when the welterweight title is at stake.

.......but Cotto would have had to abide by the contract stipulation which stated he would have had to fork over a chunk of his purse to Pacquiao.

The same goes here, Nevada does'nt require a figher to give blood samples, but there is nothing against the law to have an optional one negotiated into a contract stipulation.

My guess is that the NSAC may not even have the right to suspend Pacquiao or even fine him if he should fail a drug test given by an outside agency.......but sure as hell the public would know it Pacquiao or Mayweather had failed that doping test!:deal

 

Yes, for one of the biggest fights to date...against a P4P king who calculates risk better than he calculates his federal income tax.

 

Dude, pretty much any method is ineffective especially with regards to HGH.

How many Olympics was HGH being tested already???? Three!!!! How many were caught???? None, zero, nada, zilth

So basically, no one is caught despite doing thousands upon thousands of tests.

With regards to Erythropoeitin, or EPO, immediatel after fight blood test would demonstrate the elevated red blood cell which is an indirect indicator of EPO use. This also catches people who do autologous transfusions. But then again, urine test for EPO exist already and Marion Jones was initially caught using urine specimen. If you can't demonstrate the elevated red cell, then no benefit was gained from it because that is how you gain advantage with EPO. That is why it is the favorite drug of the tour de france, because it increases endurance. BTW, The tour de france detects EPO using urine test.

Steroids is basically caught using urine specimen.

Now, these drugs all belong to PEDs or performance enhancing drugs. The other drugs are recreational drugs like cocaine, marijuana, methamphetamine, which are not exactly drugs you wnat to use if you are a boxer.

So basically, a 30 day, after fight, and random urime test is a reasonable protocol.

Even the big associations like NFL, NHL, NBA do not test for HGH because the test is expensive yet with very poor results (actually zero per cent detection rate) and veru invasive.

 

Can you verify this?

These are excellent points.

 

Random blood tests are the best available overall because these things stay detectable in the blood longer. The NSAC is currently only using two scheduled **** tests. That's about as ineffective as you can get apart from not testing at all.

 

Thats just it, if its garbage and floyd's team thinks they have the better system, then they have to appeal to NSAC and discuss with them that changes must be done...

Do it the proper way, rather than demanding and acting like they own boxing...If NSAC agreed to this, then pac has no choice but to take the tests..

 

You know as well as I do that the NSAC isn't changing ****. Nobody has to appeal to the NSAC if they want a weight limit penalty, or different ring or glove sizes, or a catchweight. Contract stipulations are very common in boxing, and this would be the only way to use more stringent testing for this fight.

 

****in bull, i'm starting to get **** at both sides..can't they just get somethin work out like surveillance cam or watchers just to make it sure both guys are clean leading to the fight? Theres just 1 thing both of these guys have in common and thats pride and being a primadonna. I'm starting to get pissed at both sides not just pac, i know floyd could beat pac roid or not and he should have just took that g'damn offer

 

How many times must I explain this to a new member ?

The damage will have been done after the fight, anyone would rather step into the ring knowing 100% their opponent is clean, what good is finding out afterwards, especially if you have been KTFO, it might get declared a `no contest` but it still happened, nobody would want that.

 

I agree.

If this fight doesnt happen on march 13th, these 2 men should rightly go down as the biggest pieces of **** in boxing history, they will become non-existant to me.... all fans should refuse to acknowledge them, they especially should not pay to see them fight.

 

When you say best, it has to have results!!!!

using urine test VERSUS having blood test with urine did not show any difference at all in terms of actual numbers of athletes caught.

The simple reason is trhat the substances that are supposed to be detected using blood are very fast metabolized by the body.

The only substance that has superior detection rate with bloods is HGH. But in actuality, not a single athlete was caught using it. This is despite the fact that for the past 3 olympics, the test for HGH already existed. Counting the regional qualifying rounds, as well as all athletic events sanctioned by IOC, that is tantamount to probably hundreds of thousands of bloods, yet not one single person is positive for it.

To use the Barry bonds and the baseball league as an example is entirely erroneous. They could easilty be tested even using simple urine test as they were using steroids, plus the fact that those people were having physical signs of steroid use - the ben johnson look. Simply put they were never tested with blood or urine. It was an organizational failure, simply a case of not killing the hen that lays the golden egg.

There is no statistical data to prove that what you are implying is correct, and I am sure that you can never find one. Although it is true that urine can not detect HGH, but so is blood basing on its long history of testing.

One thing that bothers me with the whole thing is that the fight is under the NSAC, yet their authority is being questioned??? If the NSAC abides with what Floyd wants like the whole gamut of blood tests but to be done under their auspices, with the blood test undertaken by an independent body like the French doping agency (they have the latest technologies when it comes to anti-doping), would Mayweather allow the fight to push through????? Apparently, not. It has to be done with the USADA, an organiztion dealing with amateur atjhletics who does not have any jurisdicition or hold in profesional boxing.

The only way that the fight would push through is if the NSAC adopts the protocol that Mayweather is suggesting but doing their test under their auspices instead with the USADA! Meaning that NSCA would have to change its charter by laws or adopt a special charter.

Edit - hundreds of thousand is an exaggeration because the HGH test is actually expensive because it uses antibody test. The last Beijing Olympics, I read somewhere that they did about close to 500 test (that figure might be off by a thousand at most), which basically represents a small percentage of the athletes attending the event.

 

What about doing it for the boxing fans ?

You know, those mugs that have made him a millionaire ?... What about the fact that boxing needs this fight ?

I suppose all that small stuff doesnt matter as long as Pac can win a playground argument right ? :-(

****in pathetic... whats worse is that people are saying its right to let the fight collapse.

Im done with this ****, you ***s are a waste of space.

 

Blood does have a superior detection rate for HGH despite the IOC's failure to pop anybody for HGH yet, agreed?

Random blood tests leading all the way up until the fight would provide for far superior PED detection than two scheduled **** tests, one right before and one right after the fight, agreed?