whats wrong with uk trainers.

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by portside, Jul 31, 2010.


  1. portside

    portside Boxing Addict Full Member

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    very good, they can take the blame for fighters inabilitys.:good
     
  2. cheekyvid

    cheekyvid Detroit, I shall return. Full Member

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    not always true at all, ive seen plenty of fights from america where the corner has been ****ing shite, not given any good advice and have been all in his face
    theres not many american trainers as calm as booth or mccracken.
    buddy mcgirt springs to mind for example, his advice is often pish
     
  3. iron fist monk

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  4. portside

    portside Boxing Addict Full Member

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    my thoughts exactly, very good post,:good:good:good
     
  5. portside

    portside Boxing Addict Full Member

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    jesus, your posts are most definatly different.:huh:good;);)
     
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I heard they have the flue, should be better soon.
     
  7. Relentless

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    boxing culture as a whole is completely different in the US than here.
     
  8. mughalmirza786

    mughalmirza786 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wildcard sparring is hardcore. Sparring is essential to many fighters polishing their skills and getting 'sharp' mentally more than physically.
     
  9. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Boxing skill
    Footwork
    Stength
    Conditioning
    Good Sparring
    Defence Options
    Attack Options
    The Mind

    What else is their? USA trainers don't have magical powers, if you have knowlege then you have the power to make good fighters.

    The shittest trainers i've come into contact with don't focus enough on the whole package. They just do the same thing over and over again with little thought for the resulting developments.

    Trainers need to be realistic and knowlegable, they need to be opinionated but open to suggestion, they need to be respectful and respected. They need to be versatile and thoughtful. They need to develop a bond with their fighter- they need to know what they are thinking at every given moment both during a fight and during training. They need to know where to source their new training idea's from. They need to know why they do certain things and why they don't.

    Its very easy for anyone to pick up a pair of pads and say i'm a trainer. Its also very easy to pick up a lad who can already box and keep them in good enough shape to beat uninterested journeyman. The great trainers find a way to continue to improve and develop their fighters.

    To maintain a great workrate from them and ensure that the winning formula is never forgotten and is adapted as required so that the wins keep coming.

    I'm an aspiring trainer and i've done bits and bobs with loads of trainers all over the country. Having done that, the **** ones stand out like a sore thumb. They never create any good fighters of note. They might stand in the corner with them but they'll never bring out the best in that fighter.

    As soon as I finished on the doors I went to college and did two years- hammering out various courses - and i'm now a fully qualified personal trainer. I'm always learning but I think the improvements I have made to the fighters i've worked with have been pretty good. I love it. I know the scientific side of the sport and I believe your always learning the technical side of boxing.

    Guys like Howard Rainey, Billy Nelson, Arnie, Kevin Maree have achieved as trainers firstly because of the talent that is presented to them but also through hard work and a deep understanding of the fundamentals and of what is occuring in front of them. I find solving the problems set by other boxers fascinating.

    Trust me the yanks aren't that far ahead. Look at how the eastern fighters are suddenly starting to level the playing field. Plenty of Brit trainers are ****ing brilliant.
     
  10. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    It's from the grassroots upwards. Frankie Gavin watched his hero Sweet Pea box and took that into gym as a young-un. You get good and bad trainers in all sports. Some lads at a young age are taught what Jeff posted. Some don't i look back at my time in boxing gyms and feel i've learned more from youtube video's and fights then in the gym. I had terrible trainers.

    I feel a lot of trainers at grassroots look past the finer things and the details in fights because they were taught a certain way and they pass it on to the new breed the way they were taught. Like feinting, Pivoting, Defence, Footwork really goes a miss with some trainers i seen. Some kids get taught this but some get one or two sessions on basics and then it's crash away on pads and bag. With our professional trainers they can only work with what they got. Sometimes they got fighters who aren't as well schooled as the yanks. I see signs that our young trainers are looking to learn from the U.S and implement there ideas into there own gyms.

    If we look at in fact of Khan. Khan went from Harrison to Rubio and Then Roach.

    Roach's knowledge is so far superior to Harrison for obvious reason's...because he's been around the game for years, He knows the sport inside out and understands minor details. This isn't a knock on Oliver because he's a good trainer but it's not hard to see why Khan's improved. But if Khan went to a U.S Trainer with who was similar to Harrison in terms of experience you probably see no real improvement in Khan because Khan. Our young trainers will get there and then someday maybe the fighters will come here for help.
     
  11. portside

    portside Boxing Addict Full Member

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    very in depth veiw, but some trainers have talent, just like boxers, they read a situation well, they notice were there man can go wrong, and the oponents vulnerability, some older trainers know less than a young one, etc, theres a saying ive heard many times over the years , he has a good eye for a horse, well its the same with a top boxing trainer, his instincts are good and his charachter tells him not to follow the trodden path, but trust his instincts when there needed.
     
  12. snakeface

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    enzo calzaghe is a good one.
     
  13. Bad Dog

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    :lol:
     
  14. Bad Dog

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    In the US they take the whole training more seriously.
     
  15. billy nelson

    billy nelson the fighting scots gym Full Member

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    british boxing is in a very healthy state for coaches Jimmy Tibbs Farnell,Coldwell,Eammes,Harrison,Booth and Evertt any of these guys would succseed in American imo. At the end of the day its a results driven buisness and all the above guys produce the results imo.