What's Your Opinion Of Larry Holmes??

All time great piston like jab (first words come to mind)

 

Not sure what else you want me to add. I got Ali at 1 and I'm always going back and fourth between Holmes and Louis at 2

 

Their's no evidence whatsoever from that time period, Ali was sick, No shaking, no stuttering no issues with his motor skills reported by his team as this point.

He could very well be talking slower for a variety of reasons such as age, declining interest, fatigue. It means nothing unless accompanied by other symptoms which it evidently was not."

I talk slower than I did ten years ago despite being in much better health.

It only really became noticeable in '77.

I'm aware. He still had some vision in that eye. It might not have been a lot but he wasn't 100% blind in that eye, or particularly close to it until after Manila.

Noneck was making the observation that they all suffered from health problems.

He's correct that Ellis was half blind, but he's not the one who said it affected his performance in the ring.... you did.

Ellis had a nasty eye injury in '75..... which made him retire. So it had no effect in literally any of his fights. He was already a shot fighter by then by the way.

How did Liston's "success" in the 70s raise questions about the quality of the era? He had one fight, against a non-contender.

Seeing as it's universally considered the best era in heavyweight history, and has three near universal consensus top 10 ATGs, I'd say it's a pretty controversial opinion... as is your claim that Liston was a "slow slow man" which isn't remotely true. He was no speedster but his speed was about average.

 

one of the best ever. Could compete with any heavyweight in history. I think the hard punchers could get Larry in a little bit of trouble. He had a good chin, but still not the best...

 

I don't have an actual list, but if I did, Holmes would probably be around #3 or #4.

 

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_...y-reveals-early-indications-parkinson-disease

We can continue this in the other thread (Tried to refrain posting there because the OP is a troll).

They didn't necessarily say, he had Parkinson's. It was just i(according to them) indicated. It's universally accepted Ali's Parkinson's was caused by the abundance of blows he recieved. He wasn't hit all that much at all until 74-75 with with the exception of his first bout with Frazier.

I never said "serious health problems among elite boxers do not raise questions about an era's quality". I question that these athletes had "serious health problems". you've got it laughably wrong in at least 3 of the 5 examples you've listed.

Ali (as listed above).

Ellis did not have any eye problems whatsoever throughout his career. His eye injury forced his retirement.

Liston had literally one fight in the 70s.... against a non-descript Journeyman.

Again you're putting words in my mouth, I never stated having Parkinson's didn't have a major impact on athletic performance. I disputed Ali had Parkinson's in those bouts. Feel free to prove me wrong with footage pre-'76, where Ali displays shaking, stuttering, and/or lack of control over motor skills

 

Don't think so.

 

Good enoguh to be number 5 on my HW list but his resume isn't enough to crack top 3 IMO

 

A great fighter who was a credit to the sport.

He eased off on Ali when he could have battered him senseless.

Saying 'let's have a good fight' to Cooney showed class. The build-up to that fight wasn't pleasant.

I don't think Holmes has ever got the credit he deserved.

 

On a personal level, good man...great champion.

 

I think he was a great, world class heavyweight, solid skills and a good record.
I didn’t find his style exciting, personally, and don’t feel the urge to rewatch his fights for the most part. I can happily watch reruns of Tyson or Foreman flattening people until the cows come home….just personal taste and preference. None of his fights scratch the same itch for me as Holyfield-Bowe 1, or the Thrilla in Manila….no disgrace again there, it’s just not my thing.
I also didn’t warm up to him in terms of his public persona, which is also where I’m at odds with Hagler fans. I totally understand why they had a chip on their shoulders, but the resentful demeanor is something I’m not fond of with people I meet in person, let alone public figures. I get it, I just don’t like it and it made it difficult for me to root for them.

 

He is in my top 5 which is in chronological order. His autobiography is an interesting read if anyone hasn't read it. In His comeback attempt barring George Foreman was very good for a former title holder.

My top 5

Jack Johnson
Joe Lewis
Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali
Larry Holmes
Lennox Lewis

 

Holmes vs Marvis Frazier is a quick one-round destruction, with Holmes knocking Marvis across half the ring with a single well-timed right. That one ain't boring.

 

Thank you, my friend. Cookie me like.

 

Your entitled to your opinion but me personally Holmes vs Norton, Witherspoon, Weaver 1, are some of my favourite Heavyweight fights of all time.