What's your opinion of TKO artists being refered to as KO artists?

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  1. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw Fight sports enthusiast Full Member

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    Maybe it's semantics but there is a legit definitional difference in boxing between a TKO and KO.

    Beterbiev for example is famously known for finishing all his fights by KO but looking at his record the majority of those were TKOs and or corner stoppages not unlike what happened to Yarde.

    Beterbiev packs a punch no doubt but I don't think he should be seen as a "ko artist" like a George Foreman was or Wilder is.
     
  2. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    To be fair, a lot of TKO's are TKOs because the current climate in boxing is to stop a fight too early rather than too late.

    Using your example of Beterbiev who is more of a KO by accumulation guy rather than a one punch destroyer, I am sure Artur would have many more actual knockouts had his fights been allowed to continue.
     
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  3. Raheem

    Raheem Member banned Full Member

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    I absolutely can not stand it to the point that I sometimes no longer wish to follow the sport
     
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  4. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    There definitely should be a label difference of some sort. Beterbiev stopping a guy through accumulation vs Wilder taking someone out cold with one punch shouldn’t both be official tko’s on paper. A KTFO option perhaps?:nusenuse:
     
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  5. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think you can't stand Beterbiev's success.
     
  6. The Professor

    The Professor Socialist Ring Leader Staff Member

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  7. MURK20

    MURK20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A stoppage is a stoppage to me whether the guy is KO'd or beaten down to the point that it's wise to stop the fight. What's the point of seeing a record of 26-1 (8KO) (10 TKO) (2 RTD)? I'm good with how it is.
     
  8. ChiefGego

    ChiefGego Active Member Full Member

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    TKO/RTD = KO.
    You ****ed up the guy so bad he either had to quit, or get called off because he's out but won't sit down.
    Early stoppages are case by case, but most of the time it's just merciful
     
  9. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Doesn't matter, that just means that they punched hard enough or had the finishing skills to punish the opponents so bad to the point of forcing stoppages from the ref or their corner. Even if you don't consistently knock the other fighters out cold often but still finish the fight without going the distance you are still considered a KO artist.

    Example: Edwin Valero was a fighter 27-0 all by KO and the majority of them were TKO wins. Wilfredo Gomez and Sonny Liston’s KO wins record consist of more than half of them being TKO.
     
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  10. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What proportion of Foreman's opponents were knocked unconscious? I don't think it's very high and he was taller, longer and heavier than almost all of his opponents (unlike Beterbiev) and HW is the easiest division to score KO's because they hit so hard proportionately to their chins.

    If we look at Wilder's opponents Stiverne 1 and on, weak chinned Szpilka was put to sleep but how many others? Helenius but there was probably a dive or quitjob element. Breazeale got up at the end of the count but was all over the place. Stiverne 2 was finished but not unconscious. Stone cold KO's are pretty rare, at least at a certain level, even at HW.

    I'd wager that Beterbiev's opponents were relatively more durable than Foreman's or Wilder's, given that most of them had never been stopped. 37% of his fights were over in 2 rounds and 63% were over inside 4, so there's not a huge amount of accumulation there. He's scored 46 KD's in 19 fights (a good indication of power) and has stopped everyone, whereas Wilder and to a greater extent Foreman failed to stop a number of opponents. Relative to his division, I'd say he's the best KO artist of the three.
     
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  11. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    This.
     
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  12. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg @paulmillsfitness Full Member

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    Stoppage is a stoppage. Plenty of refs call a fight off mid count and get the fighter the attention they need. Few would’ve complained if Fury had lost by TKO in the first Wilder fight for example
     
  13. AngryBirds

    AngryBirds Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I'm sure the guys who were on the receiving end of Wilders hits would classify them as a KTFO option.
     
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  14. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder has a lot of TKOs as well.
     
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  15. smoking mirrors

    smoking mirrors Active Member Full Member

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    the California comission has that rule where every stoppage gets recorded as a straight KO. as with so many things in boxing, it’s arbitrary nonsense.