What's your p4p top 5 look like now?

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  1. rookie

    rookie Active Member Full Member

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    after that fight number 1 and 2 spots are interchangeable in pac and floyd

    3.donaire
    4.martinez
    5.jmm
     
    rookie, Nov 13, 2011
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  2. hellblazer

    hellblazer All-Time Great™ Full Member

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    Manny Pacquiao
    Nonito Donaire
    Juan Manuel Marquez
    Sergio Martinez
    Floyd Mayweather Jr.
     
    hellblazer, Nov 13, 2011
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  3. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1-PBF
    2-PAC
    3-JMM
    4-SEXY
    5-Donaire
     
    Badlok, Nov 13, 2011
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  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Wow over 60% have floyd at the top. This surprises me.
     
    lufcrazy, Nov 13, 2011
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  5. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Nonito Donaire

    TKO8 Hernan Marquez
    KO4 Sidorenko
    TKO2 Montiel
    UD Narvaez

    All in 16 months. That's the best active short-term run in boxing.
     
    Nonito Smoak, Nov 13, 2011
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  6. brassgod

    brassgod Active Member Full Member

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    There's something not right about that one. Even if you score it for Pac, I don't think it's enough to place JMM below Martinez/Donaire. I mean, JMM did way more than Pac's last 6 opponents, and gave Pac a very competitive fight.
     
    brassgod, Nov 13, 2011
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  7. brassgod

    brassgod Active Member Full Member

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    ****, got to get them excuses ready!

    This content is protected
     
    brassgod, Nov 13, 2011
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  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    That's how my list looked before the fight.
     
    lufcrazy, Nov 13, 2011
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  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    It's good, just not as good.
     
    lufcrazy, Nov 13, 2011
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  10. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Seriously, how can anyone possibly keep Pacquiao P4P #1? No justification possible. It would contradict so many things those same people have said so many times it would be laughable. Even if you give it to Pacquiao, admit it was by no more than a round, and that kind of fight does not go along with past precedents set in consensus and magazine/website opinions. I think it safe to say Mayweather will be everyones' #1 at 147, and almost everyones' #1 P4P.

    Lem Satterfield, Ringtv.com: 117-111, Juan Manuel Marquez

    Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-112, Marquez

    Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112, Marquez

    Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112, Marquez

    Mike Coppinger, RingTV.com: 115-113, Marquez

    Bill Dwyre, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez

    Norm Frauenheim, www.15rounds.com: 115-113, Marquez

    Ryan Maquinana, ***********.com/CSNBAYAREA.com: 115-113, Marquez

    Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez

    Bob Velin, USA Today: 115-113, Marquez

    George Willis, New York Post: 115-113, Marquez

    Jerry Izenberg, Philadelphia Inquirer: 115-114, Marquez

    Sean Sullivan, Boxing Digest: 115-114, Manny Pacquiao

    Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114

    Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114

    Bryan Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114

    Kevin Iole, Yahoo!Sports: 114-114

    Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN.com/Reuters: 114-114

    Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-114

    Rick Reeno, ***********.com: 114-114
     
    Nonito Smoak, Nov 13, 2011
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  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I'm gonna rescore it.

    If pac won I have him top.

    If jmm won I have him top.

    If it was a draw I have floyd top.
     
    lufcrazy, Nov 14, 2011
    lufcrazy, Nov 14, 2011
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  12. JASPER

    JASPER Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I still think you are weighing this fight to much. I am a fan of both guys and I always considered them #1 A and B for the longest time. It was clear to me the man in the ring on the weekend was no longer Number 1.

    If Pac and PBF ever fought I would have to give him the edge and I would also give him a solid edge over JMM so I could not rank either one over him. Unless you think JMM has improved and PBF has declined enough to erase their match-up.

    PBF beat JMM with skill not size advantage and held the advantage in speed and quickness which usually diminishes with added size
     
    JASPER, Nov 14, 2011
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  13. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweather
    Marquez
    Pacquiao
    Martinez
    Donaire
     
    punisher, Nov 14, 2011
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  14. bandido

    bandido The Black Bandit Full Member

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    Before:

    1. Manny Pacquiao
    2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    3. Nonito Donaire
    4. Sergio Martinez
    5. Wladimir Klitschko
    6. Juan Manuel Marquez
    ...

    After

    1. Manny Pacquiao
    2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    3. Juan Manuel Marquez
    4. Nonito Donaire
    5. Sergio Martinez
    6. Wladimir Klitschko
    ...
     
    bandido, Nov 14, 2011
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  15. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Well i've jus rewatched the fight.

    Jmm - mp

    9-10: mp better work in a close round
    10-9: jmm good combinations and defence
    10-9: controlled round by jmm picking mp apart
    9-10: mp moving much better and landing frequently
    10-9: jmm much better defence and better clean shots being landed
    9-10: brilliant round for mp landing good clean shots.
    10-9: close but clear round as both fighters step it up a notch.
    10-9: punch perfect timing for jmm showing great defence and timing.
    9-10: close round with mp getting the slight nod based on clean shots and effective aggression.
    10-9: mp tried nicking the round but left it too late
    9-10: jmm takes foot off the gas and mp edges it on aggression
    9-10: good final push by mp as he edges the final round.

    I score it a draw.

    As a result it's clear to me i'd underestimated the abilities of juan marquez which moves him further up the pecking order.

    Based upon the result I think pac and marquez are as evenly matched as ever. Floyd's victory over marquez looks a hell of a lot better now meaning his last 3 fights actually stack up quite well in comparison.

    I completely believe juan prepared a lot better for the pac fight and I believe pac faced a better marquez than floyd did. I don't think the difference is big enough to erase the result however.

    Floyd moves to the top pending a pac v jmm rematch where the winner will surely jump ahead again.

    Floyd
    Pac
    Jmm
    Martinez
    Donaire
     
    lufcrazy, Nov 14, 2011
    lufcrazy, Nov 14, 2011
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