What's your take on Marciano KO1 Walcott?

Not sure on that, both the ref and the TIME KEEPER did counted ten.

I also dont think Walcott was in any great hurry, if you watch the film, Walcott had no complains, UNTIL Walcott's mananger was causing up a storm, once that happen, Walcott join in.

I think the ref did the right thing.

 

I wouldn't say he had no complaints. It's difficult to see on film whether he protests it or not.

 

He didnt start protested until his manager started protested, than Walcott just join right in on the complains.

Its pretty clear on the film imo. Fast count, a 7 count, ete.

 

It was fixed. Jack Ruby was the announcer. Even the round card girls were double parked.

 

I agree that Walcott may well have been "remembering" the effects of the first fight when he was dropped in the rematch. But I don't see how that's necessarily a reflection of his age, or why Marciano deserves less credit for the surprisingly quick KO. A guy could be KO'd at any age and then be intimidated, gun-shy, or whatnot in the rematch. If anything, I think that just warrants more credit for Marciano, for hitting hard enough to intimidate this guy before the fight even started.

 

History shows us that Marciano was a great fighter. Looking back, Walcott was trumped by a guy that had him figured out and riding higher than ever with confidence, looking to put down an exclamation point.

Bottom line, an all-time great coming into his own lowered the boom.

 

Walcott was one of those fighters who had his brains scrambled a lot. People don't act normal when their brains are scrambled. He was confused about what was happening, which means he wasn't fit to continue. He was lumbering around the ring trying to figure out what happened. What happened was this: as he was on five other ocassions, Walcott was ktfo.

 

I disagree. "KTFO" is not accurate. He got up, confused and "scrambled" as you pointed out. He was stopped, not "KTFO".

 

Yeah, I don't know if ktfo is accurate either. I guess I should have said he was ktfo of boxing.

 

walcott had great footwork. he didnt bounce like ali and waste all that energy. holyfield was capable of walcott style footwork, but he bounced a bit also. wacott was a great fighter to watch for conservation of movement. perhaps the best ever.

in the first fight, watching the lead up to that marciano right hand, and walcotts lack of movement or even awareness of it about to be thrown, has always made me suspicious of it. you could see rocky lining him up for a right hand for 3 or 4 seconds. a fighter of walcotts experience knew it was coming. he didnt try and avoid it, he just let it come.

something about that stank. i'll bet im not the first to say so.....

 

Hmmmmm well I consider it a bit like this:

Rocky knocked out a man he'd already knocked out. Very impressive but not hugely surprising.

Tyson knocked out the man who was seen by some as the last legitimate challenger for him and mike absolutely wasted him.

Still the victory is under rated and hardly ever mentioned. I might begin to claim it as some sort of evidence towards rocky's greatness and see what responses I get.

Great victory. Contextually not as great as mike's but historically it's perhaps slightly better.

 

I must have been high when I wrote this.

 

What's there to say ... Rocky was in exceptional shape. He had the confidence that comes with brutally KOing the other guy ... he definitely hit Walcott, likely caught him cold and Joe was dazed enough to blow the count ...

Does anyone actually think Walcott was going to beat him anyway ? While possible a hell of a long shot as he was older, had absorbed a monster KO loss and Rocky was even better ...

 

Watched this again, Walcott is so much more gun shy, either can't pull the trigger or is fearful to let his hands go. He barely throws any rights so Marciano has no fear of throwing a big left hook. It was a fast count though but Walcott wasn't really up for it

 

That's pretty much the truth, come to think of it Duodenum! My father's side of the family was watching the fight in '53 on their "luxury Magnavox" and my grandmother went to the kitchen to get a beer and missed the knockout...she did get back in tgime to see Walcott sitting on the deck, looking like, in her words "a man who didn't want to get up when the alarm clock went off"...she told me this years later, lol. I've always thought that JJW's subconcious overruled his desire to get up and taste any more that Rocky was dishing out. Memories of that dark hole of unconsciousness for Jersey Joe.