whats your top ten p4p rating of all time?

No, Toney and Hopkins were not in his league.

H2H criteria, Jones has to be top 3 surely.

Resume wise :huh

I suppose if this is an amalgamation of H2H and resume top 20.

 

I like how you have Jofre in there giving him a shout, but inclined to feel he is rather high for my taste. I suppose some will feel that way about my Monzon inclusion though.

 

Gotta say most posters boxing knowledge it v.good (far better than mine)......but it is really hard to really judge, as say some boxers boxed like 100years ago, so no one has ever seen them really box apart from a fight clips.
Tho i do like thinking about p4p lists i don't feel its ever truely accurate in the sense they all great and at the very top all the fighters are interchangable depending on opinion.

 

Jimmy Wilde anyone?

 

1. Audley Harrison
2. Reggie Strickland
3. Peter Manfredo jr.

 

:rofl

I posted a response earlier to your Whitaker - PBF comparison

 

I think thats a fair comment, nobody takes anyone's list as definitive. Ray Robinson seems to top the majority of lists, but outside of that its open season in top 10/20 lists

 

Really I think that their are about 25 fighters that make it into most top 10's. As funny as that may sound. I would bet that if you started these same thread on all the other sites you would come up with the same 20 to 25 guys on all the list. Monzon is one, Even though I wouldnt rank him until 15-25.

 

It not only sounds funny, but it also sounds mathematically impossible, wouldn't you say?

Ah, I'm only kidding.

 

1. RJJ
2. Muhammad Ali
3. pernell whitaker
4. Marvin Hagler
5. Sugar Ray leonard
6. Larry Holmes
7. Julio Cesar Chavez
8. Bernard Hopkins
9. PBF
10.Mike Tyson

Yea this list is out of whack, but its based on what Ive seen, Im not just agreeing with some 90 year old author. "well he says SRR is the greatest, so it must be!!" Not denying that fact, i just cant make a fair assesment of him cause I never actually watched him fight, exepct for the fights when he gets his ass kicked at middleweight.

 

If ever you are looking for a smart arse.....

 

1. Robinson
2. Ali
3. Armstrong
4. Louis
5. Pep
6. Ray Leonard
7. Marciano
8. Chavez
9. Monzon
10. Duran

 

The main reason why I dont enter the classic forum (as much as the main) is because you have guys in there who's top ten will include fighters no later than the 1985 ish era.

It bugs me, and Im not going to get into a debate there with someone who has read 675 books on pre-war fighters, but the simple fact is, fighters from the last twenty years are discriminated against because of number of fights and so on. You hear the argument, 'oh but, they have 10 hall of famers in there record', if you scrutinise things closely like I do like that, it does not add up to what the 'historians' believe. Simple fact is poeple dont fight as much nowadays, but that does not mean they are not as great fighters because they are not' pioneers' of the weight classes and so on.

Im pissed right now, absolutely hammered, so I am propably speaking shite, but my pound for pound list on page two or three shows i am not being bias against old timers as I have majorly old timers in there, but to see some peoples top twenty lists with no fighters from the last 20 years bar one makes me criinge. They are the most bias, more so than fanboys of the current scene.


ps. Monzon is god

 

You make a good point, its does seem as if many feel like the polls for all time greats closed somewere in the mid 80's.

I for one dont like to put the active fighters in because thier careers are still going. Example it isnt impossible to think that Jones even at this point can grab the top spot all time. Check this out, say he beats Calzaghe, then Pavlik and then beats another top guy that would push him to p4p king once again and way up the all time list. Top three for sure and maybe the top spot in the years to come.

I have said it before, in TIME the top 20 all time will be made up of 60% of fighter that fought after 1990.