When did America start producing heartless fighters?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jack, Jun 20, 2010.


  1. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    vargas is american more than mexican. but i get what you are saying even if I disagree. its really a crass generalization
     
  2. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    It's not so much the geography, it's the conditions in which boxers come from.
    Poor guys do much better.

    Boxing is always scouting the olympics for the next SRL or ODLH, they ignore anyone who could end up being a marvin hagler or a tommy hearns.

    It's becoming too WWE'd up. Too much about the promotion and the name, and not enough emphasis on the fight.
     
  3. snakeface

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    skill is not what you do?


    Froch is a tough cat...as long as you keep him away from an interview he is a heart and soul warrior.. comes to fight...and would love to do the same that ward did to green in that same fashion. just so happens..he got the **** end and has to face Arthur Abraham now. The problem is... Arthur is not going to risk giving early rounds away anymore. froch is going to have to be on the move.

    hatton does the same ****. unless he's bullying he will get clipped like callazo was doing to him.

    Khan had that hiccup of catching a good one to the chin early on. he's your hope unless someone can catch him on that button again. Malignaggi wasn't our representative....he was the safest pick roach could find.
    maidana is a dumb ****. he is easy for khan. unless khan don't matador this guy that eats punches to land that big one.
     
  4. snakeface

    snakeface The Woodside Hurricane Full Member

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    since when did euro cats take on american persona's?

    i"m surprised you didn't accidently say "cheeree-o" or "fookin plonker"!
     
  5. It's not going to change anytime soon, the amatuers are far more focused on technique and skill than savagery. and i guess theres not as much pride in copping and delivering an ass whooping like it used to be.
     
  6. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Rob McCracken was on the ball when he said that fighters are trained to fight over here from an early age and the emphasis is on being in top condition and being prepared to take a few shots. That's the mentality we have always had and skill is somewhat secondry. He compared our style of training to the American's, and said that the emphasis over there is put on footwork, padwork and all the rest, but young boxers aren't given the same opportunities to actually learn how to fight.

    He finished up by saying there needs to be some middle ground, which I agree with. Too many boxers from Britain are lacking in skill and too many from America are lacking 'fight'.

    This is why I differentiate between American's and Mexican American's. The way Mexican American's are brought up is how they would be in their home country, so I see it less of a national thing and more cultural.
     
  7. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, I was going to make that point.

    I think the American's have got their amatuer system wrong because it's no longer a stepping stone into the pros, and the entire goal is to win a gold medal. That's why the Cuban's wouldn't nessecarily breeze into the pro ranks, because it's such a different sport. You can't teach a guy how to not get hit for 20 years and when he fights a tough *******, he will be happy to take punches to get his own off. It's producing the wrong type of fighters and it's hurting boxing in America.

    As the pro game keeps the sport alive, you would think a greater emphasis would be on conditioning boxers for the pro-ranks, instead of picking up a few golds at the Olympics.
     
  8. snakeface

    snakeface The Woodside Hurricane Full Member

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    evander speaks of the american situation of heavyweight boxing...2008
    the second half might be a bit more to your fancy.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAAuVlXXlBs&feature=related[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_b3bdW6wus&feature=related[/ame]
     
  9. snakeface

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  10. Manjuice

    Manjuice chiastic contrapposto Full Member

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    I hear what this dude is saying but I disagree. You can't compare American fighters to British fighters simply because America is so big and diverse. A fairer comparison would be America to all of Europe. In this way Brits would be one region that can be compared to a single region of America. If you were to use this model you could argue in favor of American fighters being tougher than European fighters. To claim Americans have no heart is like saying a water is not wet. On a whole we are some sadistic, murderous, gun-totting, resource stealing, land raveging, coffee drinking, ass kicking, sumana bitches.
    Wipe your vjj England (1-1)
     
  11. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    What a dumbass post. But its Simple ass Jack so what do you expect.

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    Timothy BRadley
    Devon Alexander
    Floyd Mayweather
    Shane Mosley
    Andre Ward
    Paul Williams
    ect ect

    Are all mentally tough warriors that would die before ever giving up in a fight. Guys that will fight in the other guys chest, even though they are athletically superior and could potshot and run and still win but dont just to prove their superior strength.


    The problem is, most British fighters are ****. you have 2 paper champions out of a nation of 60 million. So you get guys like Ricky Hatton and Carl froch who are terrible boxers and mediocre athletes who have to take a million punches to land one.

    Even when you have slightly athletically gifted fighters like Haye and Khan, we see that they are both scared to fight the top fighters in their division. Haye is going after ****ing Audley Harrison and Khan is going after Maidana hoping that Alexander and Bradley ruin eachother.


    Paul Williams, Andre Ward, Alexander, Bradley, Mosley ect are constantly seeking out the best. A lily english ***** like you calling these guys heartless is hilarious. Lol I'd love to put your ass in the streets of Oakland, Flint or LA. They dont drink tea and eat biscuits and watch footie there my friend.
     
  12. Leon

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    Damn, all that british heart didn't do anything for him.

    Their next great hope Amir Khan has to be trained by an American.:rofl Can we even consider him a brit? He's moar like a pakistani.
     
  13. snakeface

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    I came around to Froch a bit. He gotta a warrior spirit as long as there is not microphone in front of him.

    even after the super 6 ..I want to see him scrap.
    you have to play this tournament like a ****ing game. win.. win and make sure you win.
    play smart and you get to stay undefeated like you stepped into the tournament.

    everyone jumped in with bravery and hopes.

    I don't think anyone catching thier first loss or a loss period has anything to be ashamed of given the circumstance. This is watching these guys fight the best..one after another.

    as a fan..everyones status raised in my book.
     
  14. smokin_joe

    smokin_joe Member Full Member

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    Any man that steps between the ropes has heart, whether he is English, American, Pinoy, Mexican, and etc.
     
  15. snakeface

    snakeface The Woodside Hurricane Full Member

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    in hattons defence.... he got changed from the ground on up for that fight...
    and when he got in the ring...he didn't execute what he was taught. He confused the new ..and got back into his old style and was not all together.

    all in all... like everyone has said before... pac is fast.