When did boxers start using higher guards with regularity?

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Not here for the fairy tales Full Member

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    When did boxers start using higher guards with regularity? And when did low and loose guards become recognized as poor/questionable technique?
     
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  2. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd say in the last couple of years. Lomachenko mainly. Or other Russians/Ukrainians maybe pre-date him a few years. Certainly no earlier than 2010.
    It's an amateur thing, seeing the top pros fight that way took me some getting used to.
     
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    reznick Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Considered poor by who?



    Klitschko discusses how there is no "proper stance" for all fighters, and even mocks the high guard stance.
    And then talks about his hands low stance.

    A 10 year long modern HW champion.
     
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    I think it's happened since Wladimir. Maybe the pioneers of the high guard superiority movement turned professional while Wladimir was still in his prime, but Wladimir started professional back in 1996 - which is years before it occurred, surely.
     
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    Of course, you had the old "peek a boo" from Patterson in 1950s - and other D'amato fighters later. But that was never considered a universal superior hand position. It was an idiosyncracy of D'amato's, fit for that complete style - and only proved really successful for three or four top levek fighters across several decades.
     
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    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I not with the earlier fighters, that they often adopt a higher guard when they go into a crouch, but use a lower one when in a more upright stance.

    It should also be noted that the more offset stance floured by many earlier fighters, presented a smaller target, and a greater distance of travel anyway.
     
  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Not here for the fairy tales Full Member

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    My bad. I was actually referring to higher guards in general--not *the* high guard stance per se.
    I'm going to edit the original post to clarify that.

    While fighters of old used to use much lower guards, modern trainers generally teach fighters to keep their guards somewhere around cheek level so that they are almost always in position to block punches thrown at their heads (and to deter their opponents from throwing those punches in the first place). Few fighters in the pro ranks abide by this technique strictly--most end up lowering their lead hands and some guys with big reach or reflex advantages especially take liberties). But the stance itself has become part of the accepted textbook fundamentals of boxing.

    I'm trying to trace the progression from very low and loose guards being commonplace to higher and tighter guards being the norm.
     
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    When folk got scared of getting hit.......
     
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    Do you count the cross / crab guard as a high guard?

    As that is a guard that can be traced back to the bare knuckle days.
     
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    mrkoolkevin Not here for the fairy tales Full Member

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    Guys like Wlad are outliers, and get away with it in large part because of their physical gifts and natural advantages. Pretty sure his advice to "choose whatever stance you want and keep your hands at waist level if it's most comfortable" wouldn't go over well with most trainers, and would lead to a lot of guys suffering unnecessary ass-whuppings.
     
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    roughdiamond Bronson Full Member

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    Interesting article that traces back the cross guard from archie Moore. There are also images of Gus Ruhlin using cross guard.
     
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    mrkoolkevin Not here for the fairy tales Full Member

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    That makes sense. It seems like it would be most effective--and its weaknesses less of a liability--in one-punch-at-a-time, slower-paced fights.
     
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    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wouldn't it be the start of the Queensbury Rules? Which is the foundation of boxing as we know it. Isn't that part of what is the foundation, but the guard was what was probably seen as necessary without the wrestling which they talk about. It made it more logical with that stance to win a match with the rules. It was not part of the rules, but it was modern style needed to win with those limiting factors.
     
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    Actually I just re-watched Lomachenko and he uses all sorts of hand positions, different heights. So I must have been thinking of someone else.
     
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    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And the high guard is something totally the choice of the fighter. Some guys like Hearns keep the left low and it baits the other fight to step in so he can counter, also the view is better with a low guard in many ways and easier to land punches sometimes if you jab to the body. Marlon Starling had high hands and blocked punches, although I saw him hit so many times and rocked on the top of the head. I am not sure why guys did not try that move often, but he was strong.
     

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