When did boxing become modern?

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    I want to try a little experiment to see where everyone falls on this.

    I'm going to link Vitali Klitschko to an old champion, through a succession of fights that actually happened.

    Vitali Klitschko vs. Lennox Lewis
    Lennox Lewis vs. Mike Tyson
    Mike Tyson vs. Larry Holmes
    Larry Holmes vs. Muhammad Ali
    Muhammad Ali vs. Archie Moore
    Archie Moore vs. Rocky Marciano
    Rocky Marciano vs. Joe Louis
    Joe Louis vs. Jack Sharkey
    Jack Sharkey vs. Jack Dempsey
    Jack Dempsey vs. Jess Willard
    Jess Willard vs. Jack Johnson
    Jack Johnson vs. Jim Jeffries
    Jim Jeffries vs. James Corbett
    James Corbett vs. John L Sullivan


    There is tons of discussion on how old boxers are outdated. When do you guys think this occurred? In which one of these fights is that transition most apparent?

    Also, if anyone can shorten this list any further, please let me know!
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    The biggest jump to my mind, was Jem Mace beating Sam Hurst.
     
  3. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Interesting, what made that so? I've read a bit on Mace, but haven't heard of Sam Hurst!
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Tbh, I think that the worst weight division you could chose in order to make this point is heavyweight where power is the premium. Lightweight, welterweight or middleweight are better suited IMO. So, for example, Willard-Demspey is mostly extremely primitive and belongs to the list that goes before it, more closely (not that those are bereft of science, but you know what I mean); but Dempsey-Sharkey looks like a very modern contest and it includes one of the same fighters. After that, the first irrefutably "modern" fight (depending upon criteria, which are also important) may be as late as Holmes-Ali, which was a tragedy.

    That said, it's an interesting thought.
     
  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    It's also hard to measure just by looking at one or two of the top performers in the sport (easy to mistake particular boxers as representing the norm when they're really unusual outliers).
     
  6. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    This is a great point.

    At the same time, most boxing fans will say that Vitali's style is good boxing, and Corbetts style is ancient and outdated.
     
  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    HurstÂ’s main claim to fame is being the man that Mace won the title from, but he was very much a bareknuckle boxer of the traditional school.

    Mace seems to have had a style, much more akin to an early Queensbury fighter, like Peter Jackson.

    Hurst fought from the traditional stance, and employed grappling techniques, while Mace covered himself in oil to prevent his opponents getting a grip, and tried to outbox them.
     
  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Not a fair question in my mind.

    The modern boxing style began circa 1920, since then not much has changed.

    The average contender has better nutrition and training and HW fighter have gotten bigger, but in terms of the elite fighters, I doubt anyone cam show me someone more modern than Mike Gibbons.
     
  9. BundiniBlack

    BundiniBlack Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I would say the 60's was the beginning of modern Boxing. By then top guys weren't fighting 5x a month anymore
     
  10. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joe Louis ushered in the modern era for the heavyweights.
    In the same decade Benny Lynch at flyweight looks just as modern
    Dempsey and Louis look like they fought a 100 years apart.
     
  11. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Seems to me that boxing became modern round about the same time as film became modern.
     
  12. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was a Tuesday...
     
  13. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sounds about right. The pace seemed to pick up for a start.
     
  14. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Fighters were very herby jerky back in the day. Sometimes they moved in an unnatural stuttering fashion.
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    Modern boxing was established with Jack Broughton 1743, England.
    James Figg, professed champion of England 1719, had established the combats as amphitheatre entertainment and offered formal training, but Broughton firmly separated the fist fighting from the weapons fighting and established written rules.