When did boxing fans forget how to correctly score a fight?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by sues2nd, Sep 27, 2008.


  1. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Ok, so I know some people put an emphasis on aggression...but when did any aggression = EFFECTIVE aggession?

    Tonight, yes, Mayorga won some rounds on sheer aggression alone, but only SOME rounds. Effective aggression (what you are supposed to score a fight on) is not coming forward, throwing wildly and getting hit cleanly in the face? Never has been...never will be.

    You cant land less than 10% of your punches and win a fight...especially when a large percentage of those 10% were during clinches...especially when the guy your fighting doubles your landed punches and MORE THAN doubles your connect %...especially when a large % of his OVER 30% happened to be clean shots.

    The guy coming forward and throwing more does not always equal the guy winning. Boxing fans should know this...yet more and more these days I see people swaying toward the other side.

    I thought Mayorga fought a good fight tonight. He did what he could to keep Mosely off balance during the first few rounds (I gave 1-3 to Ricardo..), but his lack of accuracy, lack of defense and lack of discipline got to him for the majority of the rest of the fight. By the 4th round, Shane had him timed and was landing at will. He won the eighth and MAYBE one more close round...everything else CLEARLY went to Shane, as he was the more accurate puncher, the better defender, etc.

    This was a close fight (I had it 6-5 Mosely going into the 12th)...but a clear and easy fight to score.

    And BTW, Harold Ledderman is just as bat **** crazy for having Mosely up as high as he did...but he is the worst judge in boxing, so I dont expect any less from him. The rest of ya'll who actually had Mayorga winning by multiple rounds...I think its time to brush up on the rules of scoring a fight eh?

    :-(
     
  2. lONGCOUNTED

    lONGCOUNTED I Killed MMA Full Member

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    I had Mayorga winning 3 rounds. It was a very easy fight to score in my opinion.
     
  3. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I watched it on a crappy stream so punch quality was hard to determine but i had Mayo up by 1 coming into the 12th. It wasn't as though Mosley was picking him apart all night, he basically attempted to brawl with Margo except forgot to bring a workrate.

    Mosley fought a ridiculous fight and threw about 5 jabs in the fight, with that said it was a close entertaining fight with an amazing finish.
     
  4. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    I think you could give Mayorga 4 rounds at most.
     
  5. Suge Green

    Suge Green Boxing Junkie banned

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    When it keeps your opponent INEFFECTIVE


    The way you summarize Mayo's strategy, of course not...

    Just curious if you counted the blows yourself...I believe many of Shanes blows counted were shoulder, elbow, glove shots...there's a reason why compubox is not official...another interesting thing was punch totals only shown in rounds Sugar won, but hardly in Mayo or close rounds...however they didn't mind flashing the running total late in the fight, because it stated their case...however, they also should have shown fairness in the rounds Mayo won by flashing his stats.

    I agree, except about the trend you see.

    I give him the round, his 1st of the fight, but I wouldn't say he was landing at will...he didn't have a hell of a lot of will then.

    ...and others feel it was just as clear the other way, good thing Sugar took it out of the judges hands.

    I agree that it was just as close as you, however I went the other way..some rounds were easy to score, others were tougher.

    I obviously disagreed with Lederman too...but Hollywood Boxing Office is paying his bills.

    The judges at ringside hardly ever have harmonious scores, and I don't think they need to look to the judge next to them and suggest they learn to score a fight...some of us see things others don't, and some see things differently all together.
     
  6. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Mayorga was not being very agressive anyways. Rabbit punching, holding, and faking low blows. Most sequences were initiated by Mosley.
     
  7. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Effective aggession is keeping your opponent inneffective. But if you are landing at such a low rate (I will take compubox out and replace it with my own eyes for your liking) and your opponent is more than doubling your connects...and they are actually CLEANER, CRISPER punches. THAT is not effective aggression.

    I agree that through the first 3 rounds, he kept Shane off balance with it, but that is where it stopped.


    It wasnt strategy, it was what happened. Even if you disagree with how the punches landed (more on that in a second), the still landed. Mayorga's DID NOT! He was coming forward for most of the fight, but getting hit...and was missing. This isnt how I am summarizing his strategy (I think his strategy was clear, try to bully Shane into fighting his fight...)...this is actually what happened.

    Didnt have to...it was abundantly clear that Mosely outlanded him by a VERY large margin.

    Does it matter? Really? Are you really going to argue that Mayorga landed anywhere NEAR what Shane REALLY landed (going by your criteria)?

    Most of Mayorga's lands were also not clean...and a good amount were during clinches. Where as most of Mosely's were straight rights, left jabs or hooks while Ricardo was coming in.

    Effective aggression again, is not coming forward and getting hit over and over (I will again bring up the major disparity in landed shots and connect %...it was ridiculous).

    He wasnt landing at will??? This was the round where Mayorga dropped his hands a couple times and Shane teed off on him (after being hit with multiple straight rights and lead left hooks...). His power connects in that round were over 50%!!! Regardless if compubox is accurate, it was DAMN NEAR close to that...

    So again, how was it not landing at will???



    Amen to that...

    Regardless if you agree with me or not...I think we can both agree that that was ONE HELL of an ending.



    When the video's post (like they probably will), Id love to do a round by round. I saw only TWO close rounds...both of which I gave to Mayorga. I think with a fresh look at the actual rounds many people would have this fight scored differently (Im watching it again on my TIVO as Im typing this and I still cant find more than 2 close rounds).

    Suge, your a poster I find myself agreeing with more than not...but again, Id love to hear what rounds you gave to Ricardo? Cause I just cant see it bro!


    I understand about differences of opinion. Its just, effective aggression is what every single person who gave it to Mayorga has brought up as why...yet his aggression (other than in the first through third) was not effective at all. Too much as of late fans and judges alike mistake these things....look at Katsidis - Diaz...a fight that Diaz controlled throughout...yet because Katsidis was the guy coming forward, someone gave him the fight, even tho he got beat in every facet of the game.

    Its a trend...an alarming one if you ask me.

    (as well as the trend of people...not you...but many people thinking every close fight is a robbery or was fixed. THAT is starting to get ridiculous!)
     
  8. Suge Green

    Suge Green Boxing Junkie banned

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    I appreciated your entire post, of course I'm in disagreement about how effective Mayo was...I think post fight Shane somewhat acknowledges that it was pretty tricky in there.

    ...anyways, my score is right here...


    [url]http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2554173&postcount=11[/url]
     
  9. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    I hate these "Im gonna break down the post word by word" responses. They are so ****ing annoying.
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    So, you prefer conversation to just be a chaotic series of random outbursts?
     
  11. Sting

    Sting Akagami no Shanks Full Member

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    100% agree. Mayorga won some rounds but Mosley just had more. 7-4 Mosley.
     
  12. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    I like my posts to be short and sweet. The quicker the better. I usually skip over anything that is more than 10 lines especially on a night like tonight.
     
  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    If it was trolls or noobs I would agree, but sues2nd and Suge White aren't proven enough for you to consider what they have to say? :blood
     
  14. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    First link I found on google (googled "How to score a fight boxing")...

    [url]http://coxscorner.tripod.com/scoring.htm[/url]

    This isnt me being some so called expert (tho I do feel...and Im sure the regulars on here would back me up when I say I am very knowledgable about the sport), its me stating how a fight IS SUPPOSED TO BE SCORED!!!

    Clean punching, effective aggression, defense and ring generalship...WITH A STRONG EMPHASIS ON CLEAN PUNCHING!

    Again, not my opinion...but the actual rules of scoring a round.
     
  15. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    :thumbsup

    (short enough for ya the_what??? :D )