When did boxing ''stop'' evolving ?

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Some of them started earlier what I meant was it became more common place during this time period and basically stuck.

 

Source?

 

Senor Pepe's got it

 

I shall concede sir.

 

I don't find this plausible when you consider the best guys of the last 30 years. Whitaker, Mayweather Jr, Jones Jr, Hopkins, De La Hoya, Toney, Holyfield, Lewis, Tyson, Bowe, Klitschko, Chavez, Pacquiao, Barrera, Morales, Winkey Wright, Trinidad, Mosley, McCallum, JM Marquez, Cotto, Andre Ward, Donaire, Virgil Hill, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Benn, Jackson, McClellan, Mugabi, Norris, Camacho, Tszyu, Ricardo Lopez, Nelson, Hamed, Tapia, Spinks, Holmes, Nunn, Benn.

 

Evolving means nothing more than adapting to your environment. Between 1900 and 1930 there was a transitional period from bareknuckle/long rounds to 15 rounds of gloved boxing. Then in the 80's you got the transition from 15 to 12 rounds as well as the wide-spread use of steroids. Both lead to more emphasis on power and strength at the cost of stamina.

 

Read boxing writers from 1930s and see what they said about their era's skills as compared to old-timers. Anyway, there was a lot of jabbers, a lot of movers and there were plenty of fighters who covered up crab-like before the 1930s or 1940s. It reminds me of an argument that Jeffries was the first fighter who started using crouching stance, which is clearly untrue.

 

Never.

It continues to change, as the rules and conditions continue to change.

Evolution does not in any way imply improvment, except relative to the prevailing conditions.

 

Both use a back-foot lean (putting the weight on the right hip as they lean back from punches more from the lower torso than moving their upper bodies) and parry -- as you noted, closer to the origin of the punch. They use their length (height) as well as reach to stay out of their opponents' range.

 

i totally agree
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Evolution as in science -- natural seleciton -- is about adaption to environment. Ant-eaters evolve into creatures with long snouts and tongues that allow them to access their food source to survive.

In boxing, any 'evolution' that is an adaption or change that leads to getting knocked out isn't going to last because others won't emulate it.

Practically every debate on this board about all-time head-to-head matchups goes to this point -- if evolution = better then the more recent guy should always win if the physical matchup is anywhere close to equal.

But the change brought by evolution does not always = better. The space shuttle is an evolution of space vehicles, but a couple of shuttles blew up whereas no mercury capule ever did that. The shuttle could do more things but it was not inherently safer, so the debate of which is better comes down to what the debater values.

I do think that boxing continues to evolve in style and technique -- and IMO most breakthroughs in evolution tend to be more quantum than gradual: someone does something that works and others immediately try to emulate it, rather than someone in the 1930s comes up with a new approach and by the 1950s after several generations fo fighters it becomes vogue. People were imitating Ali (with varying degrees of success) when he was still around, not starting in the 1990s.

 

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Death of boxing gyms comes from lack of overall demand from boxing. Less gyms also mean less trainers and fighters have to make use of the advice they get no matter how incorrect it is. This causes an overall drop of IQ in up and coming talent and without them knowing how to proper utilize their skills they fall short to guys they shouldn't have or outright avoid challenges altogether only looking for monetary gain and not legacy development.

This not only stunts the growth but as eras move on it makes it frustartingly painful to search out who's going to carry boxing and have a long enough career that come from ring generalship/boxing IQ to do so. Sad part is even if there are those few talents they will get overlooked since promotions care more for their pockets than to properly promote these fighters and give the little fans they have the fights they should be seeing and not the ones to keep them "content".