when did Calzaghe become undisputed SMW champ

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  1. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Come on man there is a difference between real champs and paper champs and every real boxing fan can see it.Bute is technically a paper champ but he can be recognised as real champ is gets real opposition like Andrade unlik some guy(Erdei)
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    why are you being such a crybaby. Check my vote again. I said he became undisputed when he beat Kessler, which is what 75% of people are agreeing with.

    you said
    then you said

    so you are contradicting yourself
     
  3. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Short story:if you don't recognise Calzaghe undisputed after Kessler and/or before you don't know boxing or your a hatr
     
  4. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    actually - i agree totally with you...

    but...as a point of principal...if there is an ibf title holder in the weight division...and a seperate wba, wbc, wbo title holder...how can one be correctly termed 'undisputed'...regardless of how they won their titles...

    legally..what would the correct 'in a court' answer be ?? {not that its going to court of course :) }
     
  5. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Level of opposition
     
  6. wushu

    wushu Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How the hell way Haye the undisputed champ and he never even won the IBF belt?
     
  7. wushu

    wushu Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree.
     
  8. box3r86

    box3r86 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    in my mind he was after the lacy fight as the two other champs at the time were no a threat. it was only until kessler beat beyer that there was a legit contender to then sort out who was no.1 and undisputed.
     
  9. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    The point is the fighter makes the belt.If a fighter is WBO champ and he fights the best in the division(altough they are fighters without belts) then he is undisputed
     
  10. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    So you're saying the only undisputed champs since the WBO became a recognized belt are Bernard Hopkins and Jermain Taylor?
     
  11. wushu

    wushu Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thats true Bhop was the first and only fighter to unify all four belts.
     
  12. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    IMO, the only way a fighter becomes the undisputed champion is by either being the linear champion, as in beating the man who was the linear champion and the best of the division as seen by everyone, such as when Carlos Monzon took the middleweight crown from Nino Benvenuti. He did not need to fight anyone else because Benvenuti had lineage in his title, and Monzon took that title. There was never a linear champion at 168lbs, so to become undisputed one man must unify the belts and prove himself by defeating the other top ranked fighter. Calzaghe never fought the best available opponent until he fought Kessler. Everyone knew that Calzaghe and Kessler were the best fighters in the division so they fought to determine who was the best and undisputed champion. Calzaghe won, he became the undisputed champion. Unless Calzaghe loses at 168lbs, the next undisputed champion at the weight will have to do the same thing.
     
  13. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    Originally Posted by KO Boxing
    Officially it does.

    He never held the WBC, WBA and IBF belts together. THIS, hate to say it, is a requisite for an undisputed champion.


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    now that excatly sums up the point i'm trying to make..


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  14. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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  15. Jambon

    Jambon Active Member Full Member

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    :patsch

    After Kessler. It was the top fight at smw.