When did Joshua's résumé become overrated?

Of course not, but at that point Wilder was being schooled by a recovering coke head so it swings in round abouts.

Between Klitschko and Usyk there wasn't any great heavyweights, just three very good ones.

 

No matter how hard you try, you'll never ever be able to convince anyone that the first Fury fight was in any way positive for Wilder.

The very what you can say is people thought maybe it was a fluke performance and Wilder would knock him out in the rematch, but he couldn't even do that.

Between Klitschko and Usyk is rank them

Fury (faced Klitschko and Usyk)
AJ (faced Klitschko and Usyk)
Wilder (faced neither Klitschko nor Usyk)

There isn't a whole lot between them, but Fury has the three performances against Wilder that sets him apart and he has to be top of the trip. AJ and Wilder don't have a whole lot between them, apart from AJ has better victories and Wilder admitted he turned down the fight with AJ to face Fury instead.

 

Cheers.

 

Wilder drew with a defeated former lineal champion, Joshua couldn’t even go the distance with an unranked, last second substitute fatty. I know we all hate Wilder but Joshua’s loss to Ruiz is far worse than Wilder’s draw with Fury.

 

His resume was decent up until his last 4 opponents before Dubios.

Definitely overrated by many in the forum.

 

Well said. I think when all is said and done, that is what people will loosely remember.

Though I recall those that wanted to reinforce the idea of Fury as the lineal champion above all others were saying Fury v Wilder was defacto #1 v #2, in the wake of the two fights with Ruiz Jr.

I guess the issue has always been there were almost two parallel divisions. The WBC/PBC/Top Rank/American network circuit. The WBA/WBO/IBF/RoW circuit. Up to that point there hadn't been much cross over.

But when there has been cross over, the American circuit fighters kept losing. Effectively, Fury was a bigger fish in Wilder's small pond. But Joshua was a big fish in the bigger pond. Unfortunately there is always a bigger fish: enter Usyk
(I've overused the metaphor there)

 

Drew lmao

Ok mate

 

The Joshua bashing continues.

 

Then change it by a couple of months and say from beating Klitschko until Ruiz made him quit.

 

This is absurd and disingenuous. There weren't "two ponds" and if there were, Joshua sure as hell wasn't in the bigger pond. In 2015 Fury was effectively undisputed and dethroned Klitschko, claiming #1. From 2016 to 2017 the #1 and #2 fighters during Fury's absence were Wilder and Joshua and they didn't fight. Wilder attempted to pick off Fury to add to the build up of "The Fight of the Century" in 2018 and arguably lost a points decision. In 2019 Joshua gets battered and bounced off the canvas by Ruiz in a fight where many thought he quit. In 2020 Fury defeats one half of "The Fight of the Century" to establish himself again as the #1 of the division.

At NO point from 2016 to the Ruiz loss in 2019 was there a clear #1 at HW. There are only coulda woulda shoulda's from Joshua fans. Most of Joshua's "legacy" will be due to corporate marketing influencing peoples ideas of hypothetical matchups.

If you want to do a deep dive of your "ponds" theory, please show us some work. I think you'll quickly discover the "Chisora" problem in that he was dominated 3x by Fury and either ran through or fought on even terms with the "bigger pond". It would seem, like most of this forum, a huge amount of value is placed on Parker decisioning a shopworn and clearly post prime Wilder.

 

Dude AJ resume was far better than Wilder.
What You talking about xD

Joshua fight with at last 3 opponent who Wilder DUCKED. Povetkin (Wilder avoid him as official contender almost 2 years), Klitschko (Wilder was never ready even if he was champion), Whyte (avoid official number 1 3 YEARS!!).

Wilder win only over 2 top 10 dudes. Stiverne (poor level and perfect style for him) and Ortiz (overrated as fuk also).
I m not sure if Breazele was not in top 10 for second when Wilder meet him.

Joshua beat Wład, Povetkin, Parker, Ruiz, Wallin, Whyte. Also beat Pulev who lost his top 10 position during being inactive.

You can like or hate Joshua but You cant said he got poor resume. He actually got brilliant wins and he is main reason why Hw got great time last years.
Its not because Wilder fighting Szpilka and Washington or Fury fighting Shwarz.

Joshua make hw great again because his fights with top opponents...

 

Never:

Wallin
White
Wlad
Martin (I know, but he was the belt holder)
Parker
Povetkin
Ruiz...

 

"The wrong side of the street"
A quote synonymous with how the PBC operated for much of the last decade. But it became a reality for many boxers who weren't aligned with a big American promoter. Some may argued that Sky sports/ Matchroom/ DAZN were doing the same. And maybe they were, but that is how the two ponds got created.

Btw, I'm not sure why you keep using "Fight of the Century" for a dead rubber match.

 

It's almost like the last decade didn't happen. There are too many alts/trolls on this forum now. All creeping back in unison. We are reading the same people still trying to argue black is white. Threads about Fury /Joshua/ Wilder. Yes they are important, yet it's rare there is a thread where the focus is actually Usyk. Imagine a boxing forum having little interest in the heavyweight champion of the world. Kind of a waste of time (encouraged by the moderators)