When did Marciano fall outside the top ten?

If one were to simply evaluate Rocky's top 10 ten merits on an "Who could Beat Whom" basis, the Rocky might struggle to get into the top 15 ! and perhaps would not be favoured to beat such as Roiddick Bowe, David Tua or Even a Buster Douglas ( From Tokyo !) - But the would be due to Rocky labouring under huge unfair physical advantages, strickly on "Who could beat Whom" Rocky would be unfairly penailsed, it is not a good barometer to measure greatess, How would Rocky do with 6' 5'' 245lb Lennox Lewis, not Very good at All i suspect, But how would Rocky do with a 6' 1" 190lb Lennox ? i know who my money would be on.

It is probably better to consider a fighter individual strengths, acheivements and accopmplishments, and their talents to evaluate greatness,

Few were fitter, harder hitting, durable and tenacious then Rocky, if rated on a Pro'Rata level then in my humble opinion, i think Rocky still has his top 10 berth.

 

Yep. I agree with all these picks. I'd also include Bowe and perhaps one or two others as well. I have Rocky at around #8 all factors considered, which is reasonably fair I think.

49-0 is no mean feat, as he did fight against some good opponents (to be fair, not all of 'em were bums like some proclaim). Head-to-head, though he's definitely a fair bit lower.

I really struggle to see Marciano beating a majority of fellow Top 20 HW's. Guys like Lewis, Tyson and Foreman for example would mash him. :yep

 

Jeffies over Rocky, in a 15 rounder is something i cannot seee

 

He is my #4 HW as we are speaking. The next time a champion beats 5 #1 contenders and one #2 contender, all but one by KO, knocks out ring legends and Hall of Famer's, let me know.

 

If your going to push Rocky off base on size alone, might as well knock off Dempsey, Louis, and a few others in the top ten as well.

Make Lewis rank number 1, Ali drops to about 7. Rocky is still top ten. He is in my top 4. Only follow by Louis, Ali, and Johnson perhaps.
Cant rank Holmes over Marciano, because Holmes lack the big fights that the Rock had. Marciano also fought evey one of his time, were Holmes fail to unify the title, and failing to face Pages and a few others. Also there are way to many 10-0 0r 12-0 title defenses on Holmes record. Had Marciano went and defend his title against such men, he would have been critiz.

 

Ranking someone on a h2h basis is quite different than ranking someone based on achievements. Obviously you're going to get major differences between the two lists if we're talking heavyweights.

 

Yeh but styles make fights. Some still rate Frazier ahead of Foreman.