When did Marciano fall outside the top ten?

Nope I think the Rock beats Ike, Tyson, Liston perhaps, Holmes, Bowe, Tua, and Holyfiled. Thown in the Kilt brothers also. Marciano is a great fighter. Tua and Ike failed to be great fighters, so even head to head I cant put them over the Rock who PROVE he was great.

 

Yeh, I think Tyson, and Liston would be the ultimate nightmare for Marciano - You can't move forward and plough through punches with these men, they'd make you box. Early stoppages for sure.

 

i usually have him at #6 or #7

 

If Marciano was no longer ranked in the top 10 it would be because heavyweights had come along who accomplished more than he did rather than because of size. The size of the heavyweight is irrelevant in assessing legacy.

 

yeah i've started posting again red, just didn't have enough time to for a couple of months. :good Btw that thread about u was complete nonsense, and i can say that i can't agree with it one bit:good

 

If you take Rocky from the 50's as he was, there are probably a number of fighters who could beat him, largely from the modern (60's up) era. Rocky just can't compete size-wise with some of these monsters.

But like I have always said, you give Marciano the benefits of modern nutrition and pack 20-25 pounds on his frame, and he'd be hell for just about anyone. That's my take anyway.

On a legacy and accomplishment basis, Rocky sure as hell deserves a top 10 slot.

 

He only just made mine at any time.Now hes at 10.

 

When he moved into everybody's top 5?

 

Dont forget to add L Spinks, Tommy Burns, M Spinks, Bob Foster, Briggs, Chris Byrd, Patterson, Ingo, John L Sullivan, and any one else that comes to mind. Oh yeah and Marvin Hagler.

 

i think many people in this thread are underating marciano in his head to head abilities. yall need to go back and check the films, marciano was alot more skilled than you think! most of the bigger men in history would lose to marciano simply cause he would break them mentally, and they wouldnt be able to keep up with his workrate/punchrate and they would exhaust themselves into losing by late round Ko's. pretty simply.


just watch the film, its all their

 

Dumb.

 

I agree. It's kinda like "whatever I do the guy just keeps coming". If that doesn't take a toll mentally on a boxer, I don't know what would.

Rocky could lose to another ATG HW, but he is no piece of chopped liver for them... head to head, or otherwise.

 

marcianos low crouch, ackward effectiveness in rolling ducking slipping weaving bobbin from punches would really give big men problems IMO

 

I think he'd have the hardest time against the heaviest of hitters... if they are able to connect. I think Marciano was better at evading punches than Frazier, so the Frazier-Foreman comparison isn't appropriate in my view. Evasion, and hard punches from both hands makes me think Foreman would have a very hard time with Marciano.

Still, the hard punchers have the best shot. The guys that flick off jabs and box don't do well against Marciano... the power just isn't there the majority of the time - regardless of how big they are.

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