When did MMA records begin?

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  1. Flash Jab

    Flash Jab Boxing Junkie banned

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    When was the first promotion and when were the first records counted? Like, when did they become official wins. Anyone know anything about the birth of MMA? I'd be very interested to know all this. Who counted these as acknowledged wins and whatnot.
     
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  2. leejunfan777

    leejunfan777 Guest

    watch history of k1
     
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  3. Flash Jab

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    But that's not MMA and it began in 1993. That's not the official beginning of records, is it?
     
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  4. Anarchy99

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    UFC 1.....Or Pancrase.
     
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  5. Flash Jab

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    What I mostly want to know now is, who officiates the records? The main thing seems to be Sherdog, obviously they aren't the judges of it, but how does it work. Most guys starting from UFC 1 didn't have a record, if any of them. So when did they become "official", because there were fights before the UFC, just not on PPV and on national scale.
     
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  6. Anarchy99

    Anarchy99 Babalu will KILL You! Full Member

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    Idk... hell for all we know a bareknukle boxer from the 1800's could've had a 250-0 250KO record.
     
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  7. Flash Jab

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    I know that, so what makes Royce Gracie's more official? Is it just because it's broadcast and there's footage of it so they list it as history?
     
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  8. Anarchy99

    Anarchy99 Babalu will KILL You! Full Member

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    Well....if you counted all his bjj Gracie Challenge victories, he'd probably have dozens more.
     
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  9. Axe

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    pancrase was the first to my knowldedge, even though that was done retroactively.

    Personally I wouldn't count that as MMA because of the open hand slaps to the face only (no closed fists), among other rule variations.

    As it stands, Ken Shamrock is 2-0 over Bas Rutten in official pro "MMA" matches.
     
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  10. Ai-edy2007

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    pancrase back in the days
     
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  11. Primate

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    The birth of "MMA" was the first time one caveman took a swing at another caveman. The first record of an MMA type sport was probably Pankration in ancient Greece.

    Modern MMA has been around for a long time, there was the Gracie challenge matches and the Vale Tudo booth fighting in Brazil, there have been 'boxer vs wrestler' bouts for decades, Muhammed Ali fought a Japanese pro-wrestler in some bizarre MMA style bout. The Japanese guy, Antonio Inoki, kicked the **** out of Ali's leg, with one hand constantly on the mat (as per the rules), and iirc Ali didn't land a single blow the whole fight.

    Japanese mma came mostly from pro-wrestling, into shooto/shootfighting, pancrase, etc.

    Western mma basically originated with the first UFC.
     
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  12. Flash Jab

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    When I say record, I mean official records. Like 1-0? Not when was it documented.
     
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  13. Primate

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    Official according to who though?

    A lot of the early japanese promotions were basically just pro-wrestling. Some of the Gracie challenge matches were video taped, but they weren't exactly an mma fight. There were actually televised vale tudo matches in brazil until someone got their arm broken. Official records change according to who you ask, Rickson Gracie maintains he has a 400-0 record, but it's been proven that he's lost at least once (a sambo tournament I think), and even Helio said Rickson was full of ****.

    As far as official and reliable records, you could probably go back as far as UFC 1, in 93, or as far back as 2000, when sanctioning by athletic commissions began.
     
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  14. Flash Jab

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    So it's basically just down to documented footage like the UFC tournaments where you'll get official records?
     
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  15. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    gene labell has an mma record

    1st televised mma bout in history.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9mER2BmNRA[/ame]

    I'd also like to add that a lot of old pugilist competed against judo practitioners. One being Sam Mcvey competed against a jiu jitsu deciple of Maeda (the grandfather of bjj). Mcvey knocked him out in 10 seconds. [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_McVey[/ame]
     
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