When did Pac reach the HOF/ATG status?

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  1. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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  2. Illmatic

    Illmatic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If pac stays at this weight and loses four in a row, then it would be clear that his prime is over
     
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  3. Morrissey

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    HOF - when he beat Erik Morales the 2nd time around.

    ATG - not yet.
     
    Morrissey, Sep 18, 2007
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  4. PacDbest

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    HOF - when he beat Barrera

    ATG- after the 3rd fight with Morales
     
    PacDbest, Sep 18, 2007
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  5. chimba

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    I dont have time for a list.. Go look at other ATG lists floating around online and use simple deduction

    Pac beating MAB a second time will SURELY catapult him around the 50's in ay ATG list

    Whether we like it or not:deal
     
    chimba, Sep 18, 2007
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  6. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    HOF..he's in there....
    unfortunatrely as an ATG, he needs to accomplish a few more fights... i think he's almost there, but i think he needs some names (bling) in his resume. Not to mention a title.(bling bling)
     
    boxbox, Sep 18, 2007
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  7. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Beat great fighters and in impressive fashion, not to forget his physical abilities. He's a great fighter in my eyes already, HOFamer without a doubt and ATG pretty soon.
     
    Scar, Sep 18, 2007
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  8. Thinman

    Thinman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Please don't misunderstand me. I asked you for the list to see your criteria, your personal opinion. I am more interested in poster opinions than those lists that are around.

    To me it doesn't matter whether he becomes number 1, 50 or 100 I just want to compare posters opinions.

    I asked a similar question before....this is the thread.... take a look and give me your opinion if you can. There is also a little debate going on in one of the threads (which is a sticky) regarding the committe for the ESB rankings.

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14492
     
    Thinman, Sep 18, 2007
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  9. Thinman

    Thinman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Scar, would you be able to determine when did he achieve that status.

    Do you think that a boxer who has merits to be in HOF can lose that status? Do you think that Pac can lose that status? Is there any boxer out there who is still active and can make a case for the HOF who could lose that status? Mosley? :huh
     
    Thinman, Sep 18, 2007
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  10. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Well Duran, Arguello, Sanchez are ahead of him...Hes in the same boat as MAB, Erik, Gomez...When he beats MAB again, hed be in between trios ...

    Pac is a bit tricky...When you have a criteria for ATG list..you have to look at the WHOLE BODY of work. PAC was already lineal at FLYweight and Super Bantam...This is what makes him unique...Whether these divisions are the forgotten divisions in boxing, you still have to look at this accomplishment..

    And then the special bonuses like being the

    Lightest fighter to be (possibly) p4p #1 ever in the history of the sport.

    Only Flyweight to win possibly a title at Lightweight

    all these things works in his favor
     
    chimba, Sep 18, 2007
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  11. Thinman

    Thinman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, we have to look at the whole package. However, I am not to sold to the word "Lineal", to me it means nothing. It is the champion who makes the belt, not the other way around and this has nothing to do with Pac, it is just a comment that I would apply to any boxer.

    Baldomir was the Lineal champion but I don't think he was the best champion at welter after defeating Judah. I hope you understand my point.

    The other two comments you posted are possible but we cannot determine that now, we can just speculate.

    Anyway thanks for your answer.
     
    Thinman, Sep 18, 2007
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  12. Scar

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    Don't think that a fighter can lose that status, what he accomplishes stays the way it is, whether he loses too late in his career or not doesn't matter, it still won't erase a fighter's accomplishments. He achieved that status the night he met Morales the second time and made it clear that he's on his way to ATG status after the third fight, whether he's going to reach ATG status also depends on his next big fight but HOFamer he already is. That's only my opinion though.
     
    Scar, Sep 18, 2007
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  13. Thinman

    Thinman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fair enough. I asked you for your opinion and you just did that. :good
     
    Thinman, Sep 18, 2007
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  14. Scar

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  15. Fedor Em

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    Morales II sealed his status as an ATG.
     
    Fedor Em, Sep 18, 2007
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