When did Sugar Ray Leonard become a legend?

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  1. surfinghb

    surfinghb Active Member Full Member

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    Right on the money …Thinking he could easily out box Ray.. He underestimated him Bigtime.. Not to mention that Hagler blew this fight mentally even more so later and started mimicking Ray with the bolo punches and sticking his chin out and pulling it back in .. This just wasn't Haglers game.. It's like he wanted to be the peoples' fighter in the ring, the more popular one … He just blew it all the way around .. Ray executed this fight perfectly from the timing of it to his mental game plan execution … And I was so pissed off when he got the nod because it could have gone the other way … Anyway fair decision …. And I agree with some earlier posts that there really wasn't one fight that made him the Legend … it just kind of happened over several fights for me where you were like wow this guy is the real deal, a real ATG.. Way before the Hagler fight for me
     
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    surfinghb Active Member Full Member

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    I know you're pissed off on how things went down and if you were there and had insight on things.. I can see your point as I wasn't there so I will defer to you … BUT to say that fight was a robbery is taking it too far.. that is an emotional comment as that fight was one of the closest title fights in history.. Hardly a robbery which is the wrong word, imo .. If you can look at things objectively, you will see Hagler blew that fight bigtime imo… And I'm not trying to take anything away from Ray but I think Hagler blew that fight more than Ray took it … I too agree that Hagler should have got the nod, don't feel Ray did enough to take his title .. But that is in only my opinion .. but not a robbery mate
     
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  3. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marvin was shafted? He took the challenge and came out right handed because he thought he had an easy fight in front of him. Whose fault was that? And he was mad after when Ray had more than he thought and took everything Hagler had. It was a close fight, but Ray fought at the end of the rounds and got the momentum. Ray didn't shaft Marvin. Marvin should have taken him seriously. That was his fault. And with Donald? I still don't see how Ray really got to him. Donald trusted Ray and assumed he was retired. And he was not. Hearns would have told Donald. don't trust Ray. Fact is Hagler would not have fought Donald anyway.
     
  4. expljose

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    marvin hagler is 92-0 with 106 ko's according to him and his delusional nut job fans .. there's a small group of fighters that anytime they're brought up .. the bleeding heart excuse mobile comes screeching up out front ... haglers one of them .. always a bucket of excuses for why everyone was out to get ol marvin
     
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    you're not giving honeyghan near enough credit for knocking the bejesus out of your hero
     
  6. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hagler should have knocked him out really.
    I have Hagler winning that fight and even if that was an "L" for Leonard it was a greater feat for him to give Hagler a competitive fight than it was for Hagler to beat him.
    If the record books said Hagler W12 Leonard it would still be a blemish on his record, a close win over an inactive welterweight.
     
  7. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Most of the ringside and experts had it for Leonard regardless. The "W" looks extremely good on his record and definitely better than a loss.
     
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  8. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    See you say in a nicer was than I did everyone knows Leonard is a snake in the grass POS. Don wanted him bad Leiobard didn't want to know he wasnt man enough
     
  9. C.J.

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    Not so much a hero more of a friend. Honeyghan got lucky Don had got the flu Dave wanted top pull him out but Muhammad insisted he fought
     
  10. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    I just wish I;d been there that day that another friend from Texas Quincy Taylor sparred with Leonard & knocked his ass out. They said he didn't go down but was unconscious on his feet. Refused to spar Quincy again LOL
     
  11. expljose

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    right he was sick that's what did it .. now whose making excuses and being phony .. lmfao he was sick so and so got lucky .. ok .. then what about when mike knocked his head off that luck and the flu too?? .. keep living a lie
     
  12. C.J.

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    Were you at the fight ?? NO Was I at the fight YES
     
  13. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Donald might have wanted him, but Ray was smart. In his second career the guys who were good he had already fought them like Hearns and Duran and beaten them, so a loss to those guys would not have been too bad since he beat them already. And Lalonde was handpicked. I don't think Ray would have fought Donald Curry no matter what. Hagler? I don't see Hagler sticking around to fight Donald, I think after Hearns he lost his motivation. He got the fame and recognition he wanted after Hearns, I don't think he wanted more like Ray did.
     
  14. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree. What I could see with Marvin coming in right handed he didn't really think Ray had much, so he thought he could mess around and try other things and Ray took the momentum. And Ray fighting at the end of each round. I felt sorry for Marvin after that fight but he didn't respect Ray as a challenge enough to really fight that fight to win the way he should have.
     
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  15. C.J.

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    Hagler was a fighting champion I admire
    Leonard is a two faced lying POS
     

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