When Did The "Every Fight Has To Be A Big Fight" Craze Begin?

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  1. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I look at how critical we are of Pac, Floyd, and now to some degree Danny Garcia, and Im sitting here wondering, when did this start.

    I guess the common saying is that "the best fights the best"

    We scoff at fights that aren't career defining.
    Did we forget.

    That while fought SRL fought Duran and Hearns, in between that he fought Larry Bonds, and Ayub Kalule? (whoever the f*** that is)

    That while Duran fought SRL he also fought Wellington Wheatley, Joseph Nsubuga, (whoever the f*** they are)

    While Ali fought Frazier, he also fought Oscar Bonavena, Jerry Quarry, and Zora Folley? (whoever the f*** that is )

    What Im saying is that the beauty of boxing comes from the fact that those can't miss fights only come around once and a while. The champion is supposed to win. That's why they are champions. And while there are only a few legit champs in the game, its always been that way. Maybe it's our microwave generation, that expects that everything
    has to be right away.

    The term cherrypick should only be used if obvious conditions are set so that one man can win, not just fighting a fair fight when someone is favored. Because there is always supposed to be a favorite. It's just the way it is.


    So what Danny is fighting a virtual no name. Danny and Matthysse was a once in while, 50/50 toss up fight. Those don't come around often, because there arent too many of those guys around. No one is going to fight someone amazing everytime out. That's not realistic and that's not the sport. Forums have created and environment where people are so free to criticize that we forget that THATS THE WAY THE SPORT HAS ALWAYS BEEN.

    No one takes on a threat EVERY FIGHT. There are PLENTY OF FIGHTS in history where the champ is supposed to win. Not every guy Ali fought was a Frazier. Not every guy Leonard fought was a Duran. No Every fight Sugar Ray Robinson fought was a Lamotta. It's just not realistic. And it took me until just now to realize that.

    Enjoy the sport for what it is. THe way its always been. The reason Super Fights are SUPER FIGHTS, is because they don't come around often.

    Sorry for the essay, but Im a little faded and it just dawned on me.

    Big Meech Larry Hoover, whipping work, hallelujah :smoke
     
  2. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    Good post as always bro! People these days are living in a fantasy world! Every fight doesnt need to be big amd its never been like that in boxing. everybody has fought there share of cupcakes, mid level comp, high comp, stayed in weight classes for a long time and just defened there titles (everybody wants everybody to move up all the time) I mean its Ludacris how some ppl think these days!!
     
  3. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Appreciate it Buck. It's just amazing to me how fast people forget. I'm not saying you should go your whole career without stepping up (Like GGG has been doing even though I think he will eventually. ), Im saying that not every fight is going to be a huge fight. Because a genuinely big fight can only happen once in a while because a genuinely good fight can only take place between 2 elite/special fighters in their divisions.

    People get mad at Danny for fighting this guy, as if he hasn't just come off Murderer's row at 140. I think we need to realize that history just repeats itself, and not every fight is going to be huge, and that some fights are tuneups, mid level guys to stay active.

    Ya'know?
     
  4. Thread Stealer

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    Part of it has to do with activity levels. If you're fighting 1-2 times per year, of course we want big fights. HW champs pre-Louis rarely defended titles, they did exhibitions because they got paid more

    Kalule was a very good fighter.

    People yap about Leonard allegedly ducking Pryor because they watched Legendary nights and don't follow the history, but Kalule at 154 was a tougher match for Ray than Pryor going up from 140.

    And Ayub was actually sort of a tune up for Hearns. The #1 fighter at 154 was a tune up for Leonard. That's the equivalent of Mayweather facing Canelo as a warmup for Pacquiao. Only kalule was a more proven fighter

    Leonard did turn into an inactive cherry-picker though late in his career. Big money fights against bigger names who were perceived lesser risks than the actual elite guys at 160-168.
     
  5. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is it cherrypicking or is it staying active? If every fight is a big career defining fight, how the hell would we know who the special fighters were, and how would we kno what the special fights were?

    Cherrypicking shouldn't even be a term, UNLESS conditions are set to drastically favor another guy.

    As far as staying active against lesser fighters, thats supposed to happen. That's why there are champions then mandatories, than the "other guys"
     
  6. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That definitely a part of it, but guys are receiving more money in the sport than ever due to times advancing.

    There was a time where a million dollar payday was for the guys at the absolute top of the sport.

    5 million was considered great.

    SRL receiving a 10 mil payday was I believe his biggest.

    Canelo walked away with 12 from the Floyd fight.

    No one's going to be that active anymore if you can make more money in less fights.
     
  7. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    Yeah dude, ppl need to leave Danny alone. dude was his titles fair and square, was underdog in 2 of his last 4 fights, gimme a break!!

    Everybody said he will duck matthysse...fights matthysse now hes ducking the rematch :patsch:patsch
     
  8. Xelloss

    Xelloss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  9. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    add something to the conversation, dont just facepalm
     
  10. Scar

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    Oscar Bonavena and Jerry Quarry weren't bums.
     
  11. Ol' Bub

    Ol' Bub Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Garcia and Peterson are on the same card. No reason they shouldn't be fighting each other.
    That fight doesn't "need time to build". It's the fight Garcia wanted before he fought Matthysse.
     
  12. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    not bums but not elite either

    Bonavena had 9 L's

    Quarry had 9 too.

    neither were ever champs
    fighters today are held to a way higher standard of fighters from yesterday. Instead of just appreciating fighters while they are here, all we do is criticize them, I say "we" and not "they" because all I've done it too. And I'm going to stop doing that. All we do is carry around pessimistic outlooks on the fight game, and it's stupid.
     
  13. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Good read, man. I agree. I've been trying to tell people about Danny. He's one of my favorite fighters and people were annoying me talking about how he's cherry picking, when he just fought the 2nd best man in his division!!

    Goes to show, if Mayweather fought Pacquiao, he'd be criticized for fighting Maidana in the fight after.
     
  14. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly. It's ridiculous. Like someone's resume is supposed to

    Elite Fighter
    Elite Fighter
    Elite Fighter
    Elite Fighter
    Elite Fighter
    Elite Fighter
    Elite Fighter
    Elite Fighter
    Elite Fighter
    Elite Fighter
    Elite Fighter
    Elite Fighter

    There aren't that many around. He cleaned out 140. Im cool with him taking tuneups/stay active fights until it's time to go to 147.
     
  15. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    I should buy you a beer! No homo, you're just making a ton of sense.