When did the Modern era of Boxing start?

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  1. Caponecartels

    Caponecartels Maritime Lawyer Full Member

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    Writing a speech about boxing, and I'm wondering whether to say that
    it started when Queensberry rules were enforced, or around 1910-20.

    Which would would you choose? or is it another point in time?
     
  2. teeto

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    Are you wanting to conclusively say when it started? That would be hard. But if you want to make it interesting you could give different spots in time when such 'evolution' of pugilism seemingly occurred. Some believe their was a transitional period say between the 20's and 40's, in terms of technique etc. But then you can give examples of why some aren't completely convinced, Pancho Villa for example was an excellent whirlwind of a boxer with a high workrate and a devastating body attack. He'd do well in any era. Barney Ross looked a lot like Oscar De La Hoya for style so you could use him as a counter argument. Then there's the likes of Ricardo Mayorga who was world champion recently and (i know people say he can box) was 'primitive' for some.

    Or did you mean the modern era as in the state and shape of the sport? As in politics, promotion and other entities, that's not my realm.
     
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    I think you either go with Figg; Mace's world tours of the 1870's or from the TV era of the late 40s/early 50s, depending on what you mean by modern era and boxing.
     
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    Wow i can't believed i typed 'their' instead of there. So embarrassed, that's poor.
     
  5. Caponecartels

    Caponecartels Maritime Lawyer Full Member

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    No, no I meant Technique wise teeto. but all I got is 2 minutes of speaking. I can't really delve into any one topic for too long.
    Would it help if i posted what i got so far?
     
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    With just 2 minutes i reckon you just decide on an era that you see fit best and elaborate your ass off!
     
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    I'm not really big on the evolution of boxing technique thing, but i know that most who are consider it basically around the 30s (i think). Sweet pea is an is one on here who concurs i think, but don't quote me.
     
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    Caponecartels Maritime Lawyer Full Member

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    Well since the speech has got to be informative, and that most likely all of my audience is unfamiliar with boxing completely, i decided to go with
    the history of boxing, the Main times it evolved and to talk about some of the more known greats (sorry greb). Oh and i meant 2-3 minutes.
     
  9. Sweet Pea

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    Manassa did an excellent post on this topic a while back. Not sure if he has it saved, still. You could PM him if you want.
     
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    Yeah, sounds good. You can compare fighting styles like Holmes-Johnson, or Tyson-Dempsey. If you are keeping it to the best known boxers that is. Benny Leonard-Pernell Whittaker might be a nice one. That 'transitional period' between the 20s and 30s might get some interest.

    Like i said i don't wanna cause any gay arguments on here with other posters, so i'm not saying anyone was better than anyone else, just trying to chip in with some help.
     
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    Can i just ask if i was right in saying you're of the thought it was around the 40s? I can't remember what i'd seen you post sorry. Just curious.
     
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    Caponecartels Maritime Lawyer Full Member

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    Thing is, even guy's like Whitaker, Benny, even Holmes the common person doesn't know about. I'll lose them if I mention them and I need this grade badly. I have to stick with Ali, Tyson, Foreman, DLH, and Leonard(Sugar) and a couple more. I might mention Duran but even then they might lose interest. ****ing teacher doesn't allow slide-shows :patsch. Thanks Sweet Pea, i'll try to PM him.
     
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    Generally around the 30's and 40's, with guys like Barney Ross, Freddie Steele, Holman Williams, etc really modernizing technique, with pioneers like Benny Leonard coming beforehand.
     
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    Haha, i did one a couple of years ago about the promotion of boxing, on my access college course (to get into uni). Slideshows were allowed though, i talked about Charley Burley and tried to explain the situation briefly, they liked it, but didn't really have a clue what i was talking about.

    Good luck CC.
     
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    Yeah, my friend was speaking to me about this and he has the view that early on in the century you get some guys that looked 'modern'. Like Villa who i mentioned earlier, but for the most part the fighters that looked modern were the come forward types, aggressors rather than boxers, who seemed to be in a transitional period stylistically in the era you said. Then by the 40s we have some of the finest boxing footage on display from the likes of Pep, not much footage of Robinson but you get where i'm coming from.

    It's an interesting topic but i've never really gotten into it.