When did Tyson's prime end?

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  1. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When he went to prison. Any decline before then was simply changes or sloppyness in technique.

    He just wasnt the same afterwards. Stamina, footwork and accuracy had badly declined and the amount of time he took to reset and get back on his opponent after taking or missing a punch was 3x as long as before prison because of general rustyness and lack of activity and fighting spirit.
    Someone here said that he still looked great in some sequences after prison....and roy jones can still pull off a decent shoeshine or triple hook even today(against the right opponent), doesnt mean he is stil a great fighter.
     
  2. Threetime no1

    Threetime no1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ah right. So your physical prime is behind you correct?
     
  3. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    It damn sure wasn't after he came back from prison. While I think any precise and justifiably confident answer would require information that none of us has, it's pretty safe to say his early decline was due more to eroding skills and training discipline than physical attributes. So how much of this was the result of personal indiscipline and how much the result of parting ways with more capable trainers like Rooney? That's the information we just don't have (unless of course we were in his camp).

    We also don't know the extent to which he used or abused drugs, nor whether or to what extent he had any medical problems. All we really know -or at least can say with a high degree of justified confidence - is that he declined very early and very noticeably. The mechanism behind this is up for grabs.

    To answer your question more directly, my half a cent's worth says he started showing the first signs of noticeable decline somewhere around the first Bruno fight.
     
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  4. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Not really considering I train smarter and know more making surpassing any previous goals attainable, I can still lift just as much now as I did in my 20' s. Im also not paid to keep in shape and would continue to perform at peak levels well outside 38 years old.

    As a matter of fact I went into a national grappling tournament with no training in a close to a year off my couch a year ago and tied the reigning P.A champion. And I was hung over. :godsdrink0nw:



    The last person who Said was too old to compete I submitted in his own basement and he was a National grappling young 20-s something..I dare the athletic commission of my state to give me an MMA license? Lol

    So the point is NO ..peak is subjective . Even if you take longer to recover or slowed more entails into it. My boxing peak has surely gone BC I'm a aggressive shorter guy this doesn't mean others have.


    However it only proves Tyson also similar way of fighting needed speed and timing to make up distance and LACK of Rooney was his main downfall. This is why shorter close range guys don't last as long and need to be on point more than taller outside guys.

    My statement stands . NO age dictates ones level of ability.
     
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  5. Threetime no1

    Threetime no1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A sincere good for you. And good for you for having that outlook.

    But that's just it, at the top level of sport, no matter who you are, age will dictate ones level of ability. To say it's a misconception because of your positive outlook and achievements is false and tbh (If you're not trolling), slightly delusional. History and science tell us otherwise.
     
  6. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Is their a difference between peak and prime? Spinks was peak and his prime was over prematurely by the time he lost to Douglas.
     
  7. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    That's where your WRONG .History has shown the HW champions in recent years have proven to be better at over age 35.

    However M.Tyson style relied on reflexes more than power so again it has nothing to do with age.

    I don't need an out look I hold also a unsanctioned world record of a one arm dumb bell curl at 155 pounds and could duplicate that at any given time without PEDs. With enough insentive at 170 pounds.

    You cannot group / label ability with age BC not everyone peaks the same just like not everyone dies the same age...this is common sense. No one can really say age dictates peaks this is nonsense.
     
  8. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    I think someone is living in a dreamworld.

    Call my cynical, but i don't believe one word of the above. LOL.
     
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  9. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    When he went to prison. He was prime for Bruno, Douglas, Ruddock, etc.
     
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  10. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Aren't you one of the dumbest known posters on here? Lol


    Would you really liker me to exploit it further ?
     
  11. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    I am simply amazed that you have the audacity to post so much nonsense and then expect people to believe it! .LOL.
    5% bodyfat my arse.
    Then again, you are the same guy from heavyweight blog that got booted 3 times in as many months.
    Tommo
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    You live in a fantasy world.
     
  12. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I don't have to make up anything as I have real vids on here ppl can verify?

    You have nothing but idiotic posts one after the other....lol
     
  13. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    That's true, but when it comes to fighters over 35 regaining the heavyweight championship, it still usually doesn't work out well, and when it does it's largely due to the fact that boxers are fighting to a later age. But most of them don't have all that much success after 35.
     
  14. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think it's complicated ..Boxing is no different than any other sport, where it is just as much mental and focus as it is physically. .. Tyson's demise was a drawn out process of just losing focus.. Late for workouts and eventually the no shows, etc .. No need to rehash all of his personnel life crap, we all know that .. But the point is that Tyson still had ALL the physical attributes to continue the greatness, imo , but the 100% focus just wasn't there anymore .. And it usually works the other way with the top athletes as the focus is still there, but the body gives out first
     
  15. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Ah, you mean the video of the fat bloke hitting a bag?...5% body fat, yeah sure.lol.
    You should change your username to Butch.