When was Deontay Wilder's prime? And when did it end? This is a guy who relied heavily on his physical assets: his power which was connected to his speed and athleticism. He was also well known for not being a good trainer who didn't like road work. Usually fighters as they get old will start to compensate for their loss of athleticism with the countless hours they spent honing their craft and in ring experience. Does that describe Wilder though? He won the title aged 29 years old, putting in arguably his best all round performance against Stiverne. This may well have been his peak, certainly in terms of age related athleticism. So how long did it last, and did the damage he took along the way reduce his prime? With each year after winning the WBC title it became a theme of him having to rely on his power as fights with also-rans became ever tighter on the cards. He was, then, 32 when he fought Louis Ortiz the first time. It was a very competitive fight. Both men leaving it all in the ring. A doctor even needing to be called in due to the amount of punishment Wilder was taking. Was that the end of his prime? Next he fought Tyson Fury and was thoroughly outboxed round after round, his power bailing him out to somehow manage a draw. But this wasn't against a Fury in the best of conditions. Was this more evidence of Wilder slipping out of his prime? He was 33 years old when he fought Breazeale (also 33). He scored a devastating KO, but he was getting tagged far more than he should have been by Breazeale. More evidence of decline? Did he only have his power left to bail him out at this stage? He then fought the Ortiz for a second time. Wilder was 34 years old. He lost every round against the much older Ortiz, his power again bailing him out. I think if we are honest, he was no longer prime at this point. The first fight, two years prior, every round was competitive. This fight was far removed from the 29 year old that won the title. He then fights Fury for a second time, age 34, and takes a one sided beating. We all mock him that his costume was too heavy. But his legs being gone (for a fighter who always relied on his athleticism) was an obvious red flag that he was already done at the top, before this fight began. So when did his prime end? Age 32 in that first fight against Ortiz? Age 33 against Breazeale? Or Age 34 fighting Ortiz a second time and losing every round before the KO? Or was it some time earlier or even later?
Not sure he had one. Not even trying to bash the man. But he was the definition of a can crusher. Just making an honest observation.
The 2nd Fury fight. That fight actually beat all of it out of him. You could say Ortiz 2 though, because he didn't look good in that fight either, he was dominated and just hit the hail mary .
On this forum a fighters 'Prime' ends as soon as they lose. It doesn't matter if they are 21, 31, or 41.
I am going with a wild card and saying Ortiz 1. I think he did look actually good in that fight. Against a younger Ortiz. It was an exciting win, but marred by the doctor interference. For me, I thought he was pretty woeful against fat Fury the first time, minus the two KDs. Then, imho, the manner of KO of Breazeale hid a lot of disfunction. And as you say he was generally awful against an old Ortiz the second time. I think he was already done when Fury 2 came around. But I can see why people would say that was the end, because the beating was so one sided and definitive.
Are you suggesting Usyk, Beterbiev, and Floyd aren't still Prime? But yeah, I have noticed this at times. No dig at anyone, as I may well be wrong in my assessment. But kind of why I'm curious as to how people will respond on this.
When Tyson Fury sat up like as if his name is Jason Voorhees, goddamn son. I don't know how many of you played boxing. As in meddled a bit but never did settle into it. Low end shitass that I was even I did enough to understand being on that level and seeing a man get up and beat the count from your absolute best for the first time ever in your life ... ... ... Y'all ... Big homie is having a crisis of faith. Everyone did better in their struggle to recapture who they were. Tyson didn't lose to do it, but he did retire and ballooned. I don't know how much I believe his I was a sad boy bull****, but he sure was a fat **** for a while. Got into shape and ready to fight, no problem. Joshua's been caught slipping a few times now, it clearly effects him, but he's still able to get his ass in fights Parker was looking hella ass, even as champion but after was worse, then he found his balls and never looked better Wilder watched Tyson get up and never fought the same way ever again. Now he has to convince himself of his own power, not just youse anymore, and I'm not sure he can. Just been waiting for the word dude's retired officially. I enjoy the wrong. I like fighters who do everything wrong and get away with it. Marciano kinda caveman wrong or RJJ slick kitty wrong, idgaf, they're the funnest. I'd love to see Wilder come back even wronger than before but he no longer believes his wrongs can be right.
You make a convincing case for Fury 1 there. Hadn't thought of it like that, but yeah, it's not the best feeling when you can't put a dent in someone. But do you not think the KOs of Breazeale and Ortiz 2 would have helped with any such self doubt? Of course maybe it all came flooding back for the Ring walk for Fury 2: costume feeling heavy, legs are gone
Well there is probably some schadenfreude involved there given how celebrated his win over Ortiz was.