When Do We Decide when Mayweather and Pacquaio's common opponents matter?

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  1. GuestAppearance

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    I remember prior to the last two Pacquaio-Marquez fights that the triangle theory was used a lot when comparing Mayweather and Pacquaio. People argued that Pacquaio had more impressive victories over common opponents with Mayweather (ex De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, etc) therefore giving Manny the upperhand in an actual fight when Mayweather. But when Pacquaio lost to Marquez arguable in both the 3rd fight and KO'd in the fourth, then people stopped using the common opponent argument and that JMM VS Floyd is no indication of what would happen in a Floyd VS Manny fight. Fair enough, I personally don't believe in this triangle non sense, but however do we have to forget Pac's wins over De La Hoya, Hatton, and Cotto too using the same logic?

    So can we once and for all have some consensus or consistency of when or whether or not the common opponents matter?
     
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  2. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    They don't matter. Pacquiao and Mayweather have different styles and therefore handle other fighters differently. And they didn't exactly fight the same versions of these guys either so tough call.
     
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  3. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think we won't know how much those fights matter until after the fight.

    I've always been inclined to toss out the JMM fight for a number of reasons...

    ...JMM was on serious juice.
    ...Pacquiao was beating the hell out of him.
    ...It was a one-punch knockout that had both JMM's AND Pacquiao's entire weight behind it.
    ...Pacquiao has always had trouble with JMM's style.
    ...JMM was FAT when he fought Floyd.
    ...JMM was forced to be the aggressor against Floyd.

    -Oscar was in pretty bad shape going into the fight with Pacquiao.
    -They both dominated Hatton in their own way.
    -They both dominated a shot version of Cotto.
    -They both dominated a shot version of Mosley.

    Any edge in performance can be countered with a reason. Manny did way better against Oscar, but Oscar was in terrible physical condition. Manny did better against Hatton, but Floyd didn't have the power to just beat Hatton away from him and the end result was the same anyway. Manny was more dominant against Mosley, but Mosley was slightly older. Manny was more dominant against Cotto, but some would say Cotto was drained (he wasn't, but still). Floyd was way better against JMM, but that's pretty much the definition of a style matchup.
     
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  4. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    ...JMM was on serious juice.
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    ...Pacquiao was beating the hell out of him.
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    ...It was a one-punch knockout that had both JMM's AND Pacquiao's entire weight behind it.
    ...Pacquiao has always had trouble with JMM's style.
    ...JMM was FAT when he fought Floyd.
    ...JMM was forced to be the aggressor against Floyd.
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    Just my opinion on that matter... :good
     
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  5. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mine too.
     
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