When does a fighter get his shotness card?

I think, though Valuev is still capable of beating most, if not all, he was shot a few years before Chagaev narrowly decisioned him.

 

And why is that, exactly? Brainwashed by Rocky the fourth? :twisted:

 

Lewis retired before he ver got shot and as for Holy, I'd say he became shot around 98, pretty much after the Tyson II fight. I'd consider a fighter as shot if his skills he once had have diminished greatly and he loses to fighters he would NEVER NEVER NEVER lose to in his prime. Roy Jones is a great example.

 

Usually when a winning streak comes to an end and you don't manage to bounce back after that.

James Toney could have got one when RJJ made him look clueless, followed by a loss to Griffin, but since he bounced back from it we don't call him shot. I'm sure if it was 1995 at the moment, we would all be calling him shot.

Ricky Hatton didn't actually get one until his fight AFTER losing to PBF, but even then people thought he would take Pacquiao.

 

People are wayy to quick to call people shot. Theres a difference between shot and FADED. Hatton was faded against Pac and so was Cotto but they werent shot. Roy Jones is Shot and has been since Glen Johnson Sparked him.

 

To idiots it's obviously as soon as they lose even if they haven't lost at all.

It's simple, when they don't perform as they once used to and obviously lose a few steps. Previous fights should give a better picture of what those steps are and why they're not able to apply them anymore.

 

Not really, he was prime when Bowe beat him and was past his prime when he fought Tyson but not shot. 94 was when Holyfield started to become past his prime and I'd say 98-99 was when he can probably be considered shot though he gave Lewis a good fight the second time.

 

Oh no I mean he was past his prime in '94 lol. With him having problems with Moorer I'd say 94 because a prime Holy would've beaten him with no need for a rematch. He avenged his loss to Bowe in 93 and lost to him again in 95 but again Bowe beat a prime Holy. The only time I can think of when he had a problem prior to 94 and excluding Bowe is when he got dropped by Cooper in 91 but he came back to finish him in that fight. I think he got his card around 98-99 because even a past prime Holy kicks Ruiz's ass though that guy is tough to ko. Holy was a beast during 86-93. Truly a HOF'er.

 

I shot my load.

Do I need a card to prove it's shot?