When exactly was Mike Tyson's prime?

Well put

 

Who had a better rise to the heavyweight title?

Name me this man.

 

Perhaps it might be better if you tried to get along with your wife. If you argue with her in the way you argue with everyone else about Tyson, she must be bored shitless.

You make that feeblest of Tyson excuses just like a lot of his fanboys, saying his prison sentence was his downfall.

BULL****.

The whole point is when he came out he fought the sort of crap that he had built his reputation fighting, then came up against Holyfield.

This might answer the other Tyson fanatic who wrote that Tyson was so great in 86, 87, and 88.

In that period he had 20 fights, less than 5 of them were against anyone of note that was still in their prime, and 1 of those was a career Light Heavy.

The reason people get labelled Tyson fanboys and ridiculed is because they are either too dense, or simply refuse to see the reality. Great fighters don't get beaten the **** out of by 42 - 1 underdogs, at aged 23.

Great fighters don't get beaten up and stopped by guys they are expected to possibly permanently damage ( I think that was what the pre fight hype claimed in Holyfield 1 )

The simple FACT is Tyson was ok at beating up bugs, earwigs, junkies and guys with booze problems, both before, and after he went to prison.

What he couldn't handle was guys who TRULY wanted to batter him, at any stage of his career.

 

@ Foxy 01 - You play into the hands of being the opposite end of the spectrum, this can make it easy to be critical of your views because you are unwilling to meet a middle ground. Detractors like you also don’t see the reality, that Tyson was a decent fighter. The prison term clearly hurt him and he was also under prepared for Douglas. Its his own fault but Douglas showed he was no bum, a lot of greats would have had trouble with that version of Buster. Its easy to discredit Tyson, its also easy to over glorify him. Most real fans take a middle ground, he was great but could be beaten in his prime.

 

cheers :good

 

I totally disagree with your observations for a very simple reason.

What you are either failing to see, or accept, is that Tyson is the most over hyped fighter of all time. Therefore there IS no middle ground.

Those of us who see through the hype accept he was a good fighter, at a certain level against certain opposition.

The other side claim all kinds of excuses for his limitations.

A great example of this is how his fanboys will say it isn't who he beat, as much as the way he beat them.

So the answer from our side isn't so much the fact that he was beaten by huge underdogs, whilst still in his prime, but rather the way those underdogs, beat him.

These weren't " lucky " ( i hate that term ) punches. These guys gave him a systematic beating. That alone disqualifies him from ATG status.

 

Hamburger my man, I am not even going into the Marciano over rated debate, there are a million posts on that subject, and his fans are unswerving on the matter so good luck with that one.

The only thing I will say Marciano was never " over hyped " the way Tyson was.

This hype was so extreme people thought all he had to do was turn up, and punch guys a few times and they would crumble. This is probably due to the fact that from 37 fights only Tillis, Tucker, Green and Smith took him the distance. Hardly the stuff of legend any of them.

So the excuse mongers try to tell us he was underprepared for Douglas. Are they really stupid enough to expect the rest of us to believe he was any less prepared than he was when he was KO'ing the likes of Holmes, Tubbs, Spinks, Bruno, and Williams?

So after Douglas, the hype machine goes into overdrive again when he bowls over Tillman and Stewart, gets a gift TKO against Rudduck, then beats him on points.

Next prison. Then more nonentities in McNeeley, Mathis, Seldon, and Bruno again, and the hype machine is going off bigger than ever.

There was garbage talk about Holyfield suffering lasting damage, such was the hype surrounding Tyson.

Someone said the other day that in the US Holy was a 25 - 1 underdog. I have no idea, but I can tell you that in the week of the fight I got 12 - 1 in a British bookies shop. I had £100 and returned £1,300 for my investment.

However the guy I went in there with was far braver, and more confident than I was and backed both round 10, and round 11 stoppage win for Evander, and returned a nice few thousand pounds for his £200 outlay.

I guess my point is that the reason Tyson is without doubt the most over hyped fighter ever is because people WANTED to believe the crap. They wanted to believe their hero was what the myth portrayed. they DIDN'T want to believe what their own eyes saw, him destroyed by Douglas, him having things far from his own way with Rudduck.

They wanted to believe that the real Tyson was the one knocking over stiffs.

 

this post was absolute nonsense. I LOVVVVEEE how tyson fanboys come up with excuses. Oh he went prison it wasn't fair oh he wasn't training like its anyone elses fault but his own. Yea he cleaned out the hw division beating a bunch of coked up, alcholics. Is it his fault that that was when he came along? Of course not no one is saying that

tyson fanboys like yourself seem to only focus on the flashy knockouts instead of who they are against. WHO GIVES A **** IF HE WAS ON A WINNING STREAK

i dont give a **** if he would have won a thousand fights in a row. It still doesnt make him great if he beats nobodies

Oh and about the whole prison thing. After he came out people thought he was going to kill Evander in the ring who also might i add wasn't in his prime and had been knocked out by riddick bowe a couple fights before. Soooo what does that tell you?

ill tell you what it tells me. Tyson as exciting that he was JUST WASN"T VERY GOOD

 

Repeat.

 

There was more to Tyson than just speed and brute power. His technique was exceptional. Cus knew it from day one. Every trainer I ever met was inspired by Tyson
Tyson was boxing 101. Look at the Williams tko and his re-positioning after the counter left hook under the jab. You won't find a better example of perfect technique.
Tyson was built to destroy guys boxing behind a jab. Lewis would not had much of a chance and Wlad would get taken asunder in the first round.

 

um are you joking?

theres quite a few…..

 

Then goddamn well name them.

 

ali-
frazier-
foreman
liston
jack johnson
Gene Tunney
larry holmes
evander holyfield
sam langoford ( colored champ)
Max Shmeling
Joe Louis
lennox lewis
both klitschkos

and probably more that i am forgetting

 

um who did tyson beat on his way to the title? Marvin Frazier? Alfonso Ratliff? keep laughing homie


man these tyson fanboys can just be crazy some times.