When exactly was Tyson's prime?

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As for Tyson-Spinks, don't forget the backdrop and the long delay, which probably contributed to Spinks' jelly legs:

    Butch Lewis demanded Tyson re-tape. Tyson punched a 2-foot hole in his dressing room wall -- there was a photo in Sports Illustrated. You could literally see out onto the street (or whatever is outside) through the hole.

    Spinks doesn't beat Tyson once if they fought 100 times, but the fact is he was scared to death.
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    But he wasn't a mandatory.#3 to #5 does not gurantee a title shot... Tyson's obligation was to fight the men who were rated by the sanctioning bodies. Williams, Bruno and Spinks were the top challengers within that time frame.

    Incidentally, following Holyfield's destruction of Dokes, Don King approached Dokes with an offer, but the purse was unsatisfactory, so the fight was never made.
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Uh, wrong.

    This actually happened in the locker room before the HOLMES FIGHT. Not Spinks..

    http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1127013/index.htm
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    SpanishArcher Knockout Artist Full Member

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    Until someone posts a picture of that hole in the wall I wont belive it. :bart:deal:nono
     
  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I actually read that in a doctor's waiting room in 1988. Funny how I can't remember to tie my own shoe laces sometimes, but I have the tendency to recall that ****...:lol:

    As for the tired wave comment, I don't know. I didn't go back and read the whole thing again.
     
  7. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    I am so sick of hearing people claim tyson ducked spoon. Does anyone realistically think Spoon would have lasted any longer than thomas and tubbs did vs tyson? lets face it, spoon never established himself better than tubbs/thomas level of ability.
     
  8. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    SPINKS looked scared when he entered the ring, but as soon as the bell rang he tried the right tactics to win. he was trying to hit and move
     
  9. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I stand corrected (never trust ESPN or Dan Rafael -- http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?columnist=rafael_dan&id=2079563)

    No doubt there was a delay instigated by Butch Lewis, and no doubt it backfired. Here's what SI wrote:

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    As for Spinks being scared or not, read these words from SI before the fight:

    DADDY, PLEASE, DON'T FIGHT TYSON.
    Why you say that, baby?
    He's gonna knock you out, Daddy.
    He might, Michelle. But I might knock him out, too.
    He's gonna hurt you, Daddy.
    He might. But I might hurt him, too.
    Daddy...
    Shelly, don't say those things to your father, it's not right. Just pray I don't get hurt. Just pray.
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  10. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    No one with any credibility is claiming that " Tyson " ducked Witherspoon. He was blackballed from ever getting a title shot, as a result of a very bad fall out with a promotor who had a bad hair cut.


    A well trained and motivated Tim Witherspoon, as opposed to a heroine addict in Thomas and deconditioned Tubbs, could have lasted longer.. Yes..


    On what basis do you make this claim?

    Tim Witherspoon defeated more quality opponents than Thomas or Tubbs combined, has the only claim among the lost generation to being a two time alpha titlist, and stayed more competitive into old age than either of the other two.. I will also add that since you're such a big advocate of Ring ratings, Tim Witherspoon was in the ring's top 10 for a full decade - considerably longer than either Tubbs or Thomas.
     
  11. mochabuzz

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  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Is that right? Any other occasions?
     
  14. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    BS. Tubbs was as good or better than Tim Witherspoon, and he came in excellent shape for Tyson, he had to according to his contract. What better fighters did Witherspoon defeat? He barely beat Tubbs and his biggest win is beating Bruno.
    Stayed more competitive in his old age? He lost every fight he was in against a name opponent.
     
  15. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Was typical for Tyson to punch holes in the walls before fights. When Butch Lewis went to the dressing room thinking he could psyche Tyson out a little, he found him punching holes in the wall. He quickly left.