When exactly was Tyson's prime?

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Are you kidding me? He ran and try to go for the lucky big punch rather than boxing him. Even Tyson said so in the post fight interview.

As for the Spinks hole incident, I too heard that. I never knew it occurred for the Holmes fight, I always thought that was for the Spinks fight which supposedly scared Michael Spinks even more.

 

Read this:

Tyson scaled a trim 216¼ at the weigh-in, pretty much in keeping with his fighting weight at the time. Tubbs, who had promised to come in at 230, weighed 238¼, but collected a $50,000 bonus for reporting “in shape” nonetheless. The promoters presumably figured that if they withheld the bonus Tony might do a Dixie and they might find themselves having to explain why Tyson was fighting Jose Ribalta instead of Tubbs.

I love the part about the promotors giving Tubbs the bonus regardless of the fact that he failed to meet his contract guideliness for fear that he'd back out of the fight.

TIM WITHERSPOON:
1. Tony Tubbs
2. Greg Page
3. Frank Bruno
4. Jose Ribalta
5. James Smith
6. James Broad
7. James Tillis
8. Carl Williams
9. Renaldo Snipes
10. Jorge Luis Gonzalez
11. Alfred Cole
12 Arguably Ray Mercer ( robbery )

TONY TUBBS:

1. Greg Page
2. James Smith

PINKLON THOMAS

1. Tim Witherspoon
2. Mike Weaver
3. James Tillis

CONCLUSION: Unless you really want to grab at straws by doing things like crediting Thomas for his draw with Coetzee and mentioning Tubb's win over Seldon, then I think its basically a slam dunk...

But who got the win? Is Tubbs not one of the people we're comparing Witherspoon to? Does the win not count in your eyes?

Jeez, what were you smoking during the 80's and why couldn't I find some? Greg Page was the Ring's number one contender and the man who Holmes was stripped for not fighting. Witherspoon put an end to Pages' run and took the WBC title that Holmes had dropped. Your boy Tony Tubbs was undefeated and holding the WBA strap when Spoon dethroned him.. In the year that Spoon beat Bruno, ( 1986 ) the Ring had bruno rated at #9. Now how the **** was this is best win?

The more I read this ****, the more painfully obvious it gets that you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. In 1996, Tim Witherspoon was 39 years old, and he destroyed Jorge Luis Gonzalez, beat cruiserweight champ Alfred Cole, and was arguably robbed against Ray Mercer. What was Pinklon Thomas doing at 39? Who was Tubbs beating at that age??? Get a grip...

 

Everyone beat Gonzalez after Bowe destroyed him. Your forgot to mention that Tubbs beat Alexander Zolkin, Jesse Ferguson, beat Orlin Norris, although the decision was overturned Smith and Page, not to mention he was competitive with Riddick Bowe. Whats the difference if he was still fighting in his old age, he lost to everyone!

 

Magoo once again your attempt to over inflate Witherspoon as something he wasnt isnt cutting it. I think its pretty clear he fits nicely in the mix with all those guys who held the title and lost it without having any sort of dominance. He was no better than a fighter on the level of Tubbs, Tucker, Berbick, Thomas, Smith, Page, Douglas, etc. Thats not too shabby, but hardly some dynamo that was avoided and ducked, especially considering he had his shot in the Acefield tournament and blew it against James Smith. He could have easily been the one fighting Tyson in the second round of the unfication series.

 

Hindsite means little. At the time, Gonzalez was 24-1 and the man who took the gold medal at the 1988 olympics. Also, let's not forget that spoon was nearing the age of 40, and totally mutilated him. I could also put a spin on things by saying that perhaps Gonzalez was devastated after losing two in a row to Bowe and Witherspoon, leading to a downward spiral, but I'll leave the revisionism to you.. You're doing an excellent job of it.:good

Uh, not really. I saw that fight live on USA cable network boxing, with my friends, and we all agreed that Zolkin had gotten robbed. Tubbs looked like **** in that fight to the extent where people were calling USA's home office bitching about the outcome. Care to dig yourself into a deeper hole?

Yeah great win. Its always flattering when you manage to eek out a decision over a guy who has the claim to having won all but 5 of his last 13 fights.

And rightfully so. Tubbs knew the consequences of testing positive for drugs, but chose to ignore them.. Therefore, he doesn't get the win...

Listed them already.

Tubbs gave a prospect fits. Witherspoon with only 15 fights, fought the reigning world champion to a near stand still. If you're going to give credit for galant LOSING efforts, then I suggest you do it both ways.

You obviously didn't read my full post, as you have:

A. failed to acknowledge I listed Page and Smith as wins for Tubbs.

B. Ignored the things I said about Witherspoon, when past his prime.

C. Have not produced a response that is even worthy of looking at.

Game, set, match....This one's over..

 

Hindsight means little? The proof is in the history. Gonzalez was damaged goods after Bowe, he went 50/50 in his remaining fights. Spoon proved he was about as good as I said he was, and was nothing more than a showcase in his post Don King career. Beating a blown up cruiserweight in Cole and a ruined fighter proved nothing, especially since he lost clearly in every other fight he stepped up in. He lost to Mercer by a landslide, I dont know how you call that a robbery. I know you like the guy but your overating him big time.

 

Considering that you haven't managed to refute a single word I've said, I'd say its "cutting it" quite well. I dare you to list one factual error that I've made, because I haven't gotten through one sentence of yours without finding several.. Everytime a thread comes up on a topic that you THINK you are well versed in, you pull all this bluster out of your ass like " I don't think you've ever seen this guy fight. " Now you're coming in here and making references to Frank Bruno being Witherspoon's BEST win, and claiming that Tubbs beat Zolkin - fights that you obviously didn't see, and for what? To try and prove that Tony Tubbs was a better fighter than Tim Witherspoon? You should be ashamed of yourself on several levels..

 

You never disappoint lefthook,

I said that I'd leave the revisionism to you, and you've done beautifully.

Right, because BOWE ruined him, and not Spoon right?

Well, it proves that he was still a more capable fighter in old age than either Tubbs or Thomas.. That's good enough for me..

Yes, from the time he lost to Larry Donald at age 40 to his last fight against Brian nix at the age of 46.. Great rebuttle there buddy..:good

Oh God, not only do you have your facts on ass backwards, you're also a liar.

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Am I?

It all started with this little nugget from SuzieQ..

I gave my response using only FACTS, then you chimed in with this..

Who is really doing the overrating here? I listed facts, statistics, accomplishements, and also refuted your nonsense, which was mostly false..

 

First off I think you should think about things before you make a statement. First starting with your "wrong it happend in the Holmes fight" about Tyson punching holes in the walls before the fight. I stated that Tyson did in fact punch holes in the walls at the Spinks fight, and I proved it with the video which interviewed Butch Lewis (Spinks promoter). Secondly, I disagree with your quote stating that "Witherspoon beat more quality opponents than Tubbs and Thomas combined." I clearly stated why I think so, and based on their competition, records, and ability its pretty easy to show that all three guys are fairly comparable in skills, record and accomplishments, especially with them beating each other. Your bias towards Tim Witherspoon might be clouding your judgement and causing you to be defensive, but I think I responded to your incorrect statements quite clearly.

 

Dude seriously,

don't dig yourself in any deeper. Pulling the " your biased " card is a classic last resort defense, and coming from a guy who shouldn't throw rocks from the balcony of a glass house.. You haven't refuted anything and repeating lies or inaccuracies at nauseum isn't going to make them any more true...

 

Magoo, did you see the entire Bowe Gonzalez fight? Did you see the one sided prolonged beat down that Bowe gave him?

 

Hello! Are you talking to yourself or reading another thread??

 

Yes, and I also saw the Spoon fight....

Doesn't matter. It was still a good win for Spoon and more than anything that Thomas or Tubbs did in their old age...

Did you see the Zolkin fight that you so steadfastly claim Tubbs won?

Did you see the Mercer fight that you so steadfastlyclaim Witherspoon lost?

Did you see the Bruno fight that you so steadfastly claim was his best win?