When Fighters "Give Themselves To The Lord", Do They Lose Their Edge??

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  1. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    First off, I think its a great think if it helps someone to become a better person and this is absolutely not a knock on any fighter or religion. I just find it interesting that a lot of fighters "find God" toward the end of their careers and their success as a fighter goes down. Angel Manfredy, Zab Judah, Nate Campbell, Roy Jones, Mike Tyson and many others. Could it be because they no longer want to hurt their opponents, or their minds are just in a different place? Or maybe I'm wrong and as George Foreman showed, it can actually lead to sucess and maybe all the fighters I mentioned lost their edge because of their age and ring wear.



    *This is not about a particular religion or a post about whether there is a God or not.
     
  2. Jappa

    Jappa Active Member Full Member

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    Minds in different places, after years of hurting people, boredom must kick in eventually.
     
  3. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Don't think the lose their "edge" or something, but I think it's quite annoying to see a fighter praying, looking upwards, making crosses etc. etc... And then using all kinds of dirty (illegal) tactics to win the fight.
    That's called a hypocrite.
     
  4. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    they usually "find god" after getting a few ass-whuppings, so the edge was already wearing off.
     
  5. zab was never really a very good fighter. he was a good athlete but not a good fighter. he's never beaten anyone great or even good. his mediocre performance last night is average for zab. some might even consider it decent. what a robbery.
     
  6. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    It makes no difference. You're either good or not good. You're focused or not focused. It doesn't matter. ...It doesn't matter at all.
     
  7. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not sure how thats hypocritical. I dont see anything wrong with any gestures a fighter makes that makes him feel protected before entering a fight that could potentially damage them or even be fatal.
     
  8. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You may very well be right my friend
     
  9. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't think so. You mentioned them being toward the end of their careers, so naturally they are more likely to have less success at this stage anyway.

    Muhammad Ali joined the NOI early in his career and had much success. Manny Pacquiao, Evander Holyfield, and Floyd Mayweather are fighters that have always talked about God and they had success for many years.
     
  10. Kingkazim

    Kingkazim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Andre Ward seems to be doing fine, and his nickname is "son of god"


    On the other hand, I always remember Danny Williams because the more spiritual he became, the more reluctant he was to throw those mean bombs of his. His demeanour changed aswell, he became a teddy bear
     
  11. Chief_Second

    Chief_Second Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The invisible god of violence syndrome. All in the head!!!
     
  12. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some people have different lords to others

    Zab Judah is a black Hewbrew and believes in Jesus, seems a bit of a strange version of christainity


    A lot confuse him for a jew dues to his name


    I dont think it makes any difference in this case however in cases like Holyfield it certainly helps the man box and wake up every morning from all accounts.
     
  13. uglyandproud7

    uglyandproud7 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think that's true at all. Your examples aren't guys in thier prime. Just of guys I saw this wknd on tv:

    Robert Guerrero is a devout Born Again Christian (Steve Cunningham another), Manny Pacquaio devout Catholic, Tomasz Adamek another Catholic.

    To be honest I find alot of people of faith in boxing, i think laying your body and life on the line to a degree may bring you closer to thinking about whats at the end?
     
  14. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I think it's too common for that theory to hold true, though perhaps those that weren't so spiritual before and suddenly become spiritual may show a decline, but again probably because of the stage in career.