when has the last time wlad knocked out someone COLD

DrMo · Nov 28, 2011

godlikerich said: ↑

Agreed, statistics don't really mean much when it comes to punching power. Some guy hit crazy hard and don't even have a great KO ratio. Maybe because they can't get the power to the target or fight better fighters. Any average puncher can have a 20-0 (20) record fighting bums and the statistics will say he is a harder hitter. No. It clearly does not work like that and is not so simple.

Punching power in any case is a near impossible thing to measure and compare anyway. How do we do it? Is it by hardest punch the fighter ever landed? More consistent power? KOing opponents with better chins? No one knows. Also the distinction between 'puncher' and hardest hitter is too often confused by everyone. I'd say Joe Louis is the best 'puncher' ever. Is he the hardest hitter? No.

I'd say Wlad's power is up there in terms of pure pounds per square inches, but he is a far inferior puncher - he simply does not have the punch variety that Foreman did. Wlad's KO shots are his right hand and left hook. Foreman's was every punch there was - including jabs.
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Good post. :goodAll the stats in the world mean nothing without context & I agree with the distinction between "puncher" & "hard-hitter"

I'm not convinced about Wlad having great 1 shot power, most of his stoppages are more to do with accumulation & fatigue than concussive force. He also has such a cautious style that you rarely see him put 100% into a punch.

DrMo · Nov 28, 2011

lewishamboy said: ↑

Wlad hits harder than Foreman? :rofl
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Yep, there are stats which prove this to be true

Daruf · Nov 28, 2011

I honestly do not know who hits harder between Wlad and Foreman, but i do know that if Wlad would throw full force with that kind of sloppy technique he would look very impressive as well.

Bubby · Nov 28, 2011

SILENCER said: ↑

how does the KO power of George Foreman compare to Wladimir Klitschko?

Foreman and Wlad had 3 common opponents: Schulz, Martin and Young:

Opponent Wladimir Klitschko's result George Foreman's result:

·Axel Schulz KO8 MD12
·Everett Martin KO8 UD10
·Mark Young KO2 (RTD2) TKO7

This shows a clear power superiority of Wladimir, but of course Foreman was already 40+ years old, so this comparison is of limited use.

The punching power of Wladimir Klitschko is so superior to Foreman that it also shows in their world champion ship stats:

name and KO'ratio in world title fights:

·George Foreman 42.8% (3of7)
·Mike Tyson 62.5% (10of16)
·Wladimir Klitschko 77.7% (14of18)

How dangerous is George Foreman in later rounds?
Another aspect is "dangerousness" = whether a KO'er is dangerous in the first rounds only or throughout the whole fight.

Name and KO'ratio when fight ended in rounds 1-6 (non-bums) KO'ratio when fight ended in rounds 7-12 (non-bums) KO'ratio when fight ended in rounds 1-6 (non-bums, orthodox stance) KO'ratio when fight ended in rounds 7-12 (non-bums, orthodox stance)

·Wladimir Klitschko 87.5% 78.5% (11of14) 92.8% 88.8% (8of9)
·Mike Tyson 83.3% 25.0% (2of8) 83.3% 25.0% (2of8)
·George Foreman 100.0% 30.7% (4of13) 100.0% 25.0% (3of12)

Fistic Statistic [#2490.5]

You see how Tyson's and Foreman's dangerousness drops significantly the longer the fight goes on/

Wladimir Klitschko remains dangerous from first round to last.

In other words: Would you manage to survive the first rounds against Tyson or Foreman, your chances to survive the whole fight increase significantly whereas against Wladimir Klitschko your (little) chances increase only a little.

let's compare round 1-3 KOs of George Foreman and Wladimir Klitschko
Let's compare their early KOs (rounds 1-3):

Name, Median weight (of KO'victim round 1) Median weight (of KO'victim round 2) Median weight (of KO'victim round 3) Median record at bout (of KO'victim round 1-3) Of which were outweighed;'

·George Foreman overall 199 212 211 14-6 86%
·George Foreman 1970s 196 212 206 11-6 80%
·Wladimir Klitschko 233 232 244 18-4 42%
·Mike Tyson 215 218 220 16-3 60%

Fistic Statistic [#2490.6]

Let's compare the total number of KOs.

Name, KO'victims (sub-200 opponents, rounds1-3) KO'victims (200+ lbs opponents, rounds1-3) KO'victims (215+ opponents, rounds1-3);

·Wladimir Klitschko (not allowed) 28 KO'victims 23 KO'victims
·Mike Tyson 5 KO'victims 28 KO'victims 20 KO'victims
·George Foreman 12 KO'victims 34 KO'victims 17 KO'victims

Fistic Statistic [#2490.7]

As you can see Wladimir Klitschko has KO'ed the same amount of opponents 200+ lbs in round1-3 as Mike Tyson, and has KO'ed more superheavyweights 215+ lbs in round1-3 than George Foreman.

Let me explain these tables in clear words:

Wladimir Klitschko KO'ed far heavier opponents than Mike Tyson or George Foreman in rounds 1-3

In fact the Top10 heaviest KOs (any round) George Foreman ever scored (median 213 lbs) are below the AVERAGE of Wladimir Klitschko's KOs 233 lbs (any round, total career KOs)

For the same weight Wladimir Klitschko needed 1 round where George Foreman and Tyson needed 3 or more rounds
Wladimir Klitschko WAS OUTWEIGHED when scoring round1-3 KOs, as opposed to Mike Tyson and George Foreman who were OUT-WEIGHING their opponents.
On average Wladimir Klitschko KO'ed the better opponents in round1-3 than Mike Tyson and George Foreman

George Foreman and Mike Tyson
are LESS EFFECTIVE KO'ers (rounds 1-3) than Wladimir Klitschko
despite Wladimir Klitschko fighting
the HEAVIER opponents
the BETTER opponents
and more HEAVIER-THAN-SELF opponents.

So far 13 people survived fights with Foreman. But only 3 survived against Wlad.

Additionally

Prime George Foreman (median weight 217 lbs)
would be Wladimir Klitschko's
bottom-10 LIGHTEST opponent
and Vitali Klitschko's bottom-3 LIGHTEST opponent

Probably the easiest way to convince good-old-time nostalgists of the superiority of Klitschko (compared to Foreman) is to mention that George Foreman has scored only 3 KOs in world championship fights 200×2, whereas Wladimir Klitschko has scored approximately 5 times as many.
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You must drive the Klitschko haters crazy!

Bubby · Nov 28, 2011

DrMo said: ↑

atsch
All those stats mean absolutely nothing. Foreman hit harder, all day every day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZtZlTIglDU
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A heavybag don't punch back! Go watch Foreman vs Gregorio Peralta.

zulander · Nov 28, 2011

George was a massive hitter who went out there with nothing but power and damage in his mind. Wald is a more technical beat em down wear em out and then go for KO if it presents itself.

Foreman fought better competition. Wlad is an excellent puncher which massive KO power. If you had a dodgy chin against either you were going night night. Its like talking about being hit by truck or a HGV your still going to get hit and damm hard either way

bretchko · Nov 28, 2011

Koman600 said: ↑

he has decent power, no where near the top 20, currently.... when is the last time he KO someone out COLD
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he has great power and most if not all of his opponents run like scared little chkns so its hard to catch them

Cael · Nov 29, 2011

DrMo said: ↑

atsch
All those stats mean absolutely nothing. Foreman hit harder, all day every day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZtZlTIglDU
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atsch
man wtf is that?
any average bloke punching like that the bag would get laughed out of the gym.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C82MIPtaf7U&feature=related[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwxG4E6eABE&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

DrMo · Nov 29, 2011

Cael said: ↑

atsch
man wtf is that?
any average bloke punching like that the bag would get laughed out of the gym.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C82MIPtaf7U&feature=related

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@Vitali throwing arm punches & barely causing a wrinkle on the heavy bag. Pitter-patter stuff.

FilipMNE · Nov 29, 2011

SILENCER said: ↑

how does the KO power of George Foreman compare to Wladimir Klitschko?

Foreman and Wlad had 3 common opponents: Schulz, Martin and Young:

Opponent Wladimir Klitschko's result George Foreman's result:

·Axel Schulz KO8 MD12
·Everett Martin KO8 UD10
·Mark Young KO2 (RTD2) TKO7

This shows a clear power superiority of Wladimir, but of course Foreman was already 40+ years old, so this comparison is of limited use.

The punching power of Wladimir Klitschko is so superior to Foreman that it also shows in their world champion ship stats:

name and KO'ratio in world title fights:

·George Foreman 42.8% (3of7)
·Mike Tyson 62.5% (10of16)
·Wladimir Klitschko 77.7% (14of18)

How dangerous is George Foreman in later rounds?
Another aspect is "dangerousness" = whether a KO'er is dangerous in the first rounds only or throughout the whole fight.

Name and KO'ratio when fight ended in rounds 1-6 (non-bums) KO'ratio when fight ended in rounds 7-12 (non-bums) KO'ratio when fight ended in rounds 1-6 (non-bums, orthodox stance) KO'ratio when fight ended in rounds 7-12 (non-bums, orthodox stance)

·Wladimir Klitschko 87.5% 78.5% (11of14) 92.8% 88.8% (8of9)
·Mike Tyson 83.3% 25.0% (2of8) 83.3% 25.0% (2of8)
·George Foreman 100.0% 30.7% (4of13) 100.0% 25.0% (3of12)

Fistic Statistic [#2490.5]

You see how Tyson's and Foreman's dangerousness drops significantly the longer the fight goes on/

Wladimir Klitschko remains dangerous from first round to last.

In other words: Would you manage to survive the first rounds against Tyson or Foreman, your chances to survive the whole fight increase significantly whereas against Wladimir Klitschko your (little) chances increase only a little.

let's compare round 1-3 KOs of George Foreman and Wladimir Klitschko
Let's compare their early KOs (rounds 1-3):

Name, Median weight (of KO'victim round 1) Median weight (of KO'victim round 2) Median weight (of KO'victim round 3) Median record at bout (of KO'victim round 1-3) Of which were outweighed;'

·George Foreman overall 199 212 211 14-6 86%
·George Foreman 1970s 196 212 206 11-6 80%
·Wladimir Klitschko 233 232 244 18-4 42%
·Mike Tyson 215 218 220 16-3 60%

Fistic Statistic [#2490.6]

Let's compare the total number of KOs.

Name, KO'victims (sub-200 opponents, rounds1-3) KO'victims (200+ lbs opponents, rounds1-3) KO'victims (215+ opponents, rounds1-3);

·Wladimir Klitschko (not allowed) 28 KO'victims 23 KO'victims
·Mike Tyson 5 KO'victims 28 KO'victims 20 KO'victims
·George Foreman 12 KO'victims 34 KO'victims 17 KO'victims

Fistic Statistic [#2490.7]

As you can see Wladimir Klitschko has KO'ed the same amount of opponents 200+ lbs in round1-3 as Mike Tyson, and has KO'ed more superheavyweights 215+ lbs in round1-3 than George Foreman.

Let me explain these tables in clear words:

Wladimir Klitschko KO'ed far heavier opponents than Mike Tyson or George Foreman in rounds 1-3

In fact the Top10 heaviest KOs (any round) George Foreman ever scored (median 213 lbs) are below the AVERAGE of Wladimir Klitschko's KOs 233 lbs (any round, total career KOs)

For the same weight Wladimir Klitschko needed 1 round where George Foreman and Tyson needed 3 or more rounds
Wladimir Klitschko WAS OUTWEIGHED when scoring round1-3 KOs, as opposed to Mike Tyson and George Foreman who were OUT-WEIGHING their opponents.
On average Wladimir Klitschko KO'ed the better opponents in round1-3 than Mike Tyson and George Foreman

George Foreman and Mike Tyson
are LESS EFFECTIVE KO'ers (rounds 1-3) than Wladimir Klitschko
despite Wladimir Klitschko fighting
the HEAVIER opponents
the BETTER opponents
and more HEAVIER-THAN-SELF opponents.

So far 13 people survived fights with Foreman. But only 3 survived against Wlad.

Additionally

Prime George Foreman (median weight 217 lbs)
would be Wladimir Klitschko's
bottom-10 LIGHTEST opponent
and Vitali Klitschko's bottom-3 LIGHTEST opponent

Probably the easiest way to convince good-old-time nostalgists of the superiority of Klitschko (compared to Foreman) is to mention that George Foreman has scored only 3 KOs in world championship fights 200×2, whereas Wladimir Klitschko has scored approximately 5 times as many.
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Is it realistic to compare very old Foreman to young Wlad???

Cael · Nov 29, 2011

DrMo said: ↑

@Vitali throwing arm punches & barely causing a wrinkle on the heavy bag. Pitter-patter stuff.
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:think how 'bout Wlad?

Cael · Nov 29, 2011

Cael said: ↑

:think how 'bout Wlad?
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i see... so rather then posting a reply, you conveniently bitched out :hi:

DrMo · Nov 29, 2011

Cael said: ↑

i see... so rather then posting a reply, you conveniently bitched out :hi:
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:-( quoting your own posts.

Cael said: ↑

:think how 'bout Wlad?
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Same for Waldo, tippy-tappy. Compare that to Foreman on the bag. Boom Boom Boom.

The Mongoose · Nov 29, 2011

Eddie Chambers was out cold..that was only like 2 fights ago...

doylexxx · Nov 29, 2011

SILENCER said: ↑

how does the KO power of George Foreman compare to Wladimir Klitschko?

Foreman and Wlad had 3 common opponents: Schulz, Martin and Young:

Opponent Wladimir Klitschko's result George Foreman's result:

·Axel Schulz KO8 MD12
·Everett Martin KO8 UD10
·Mark Young KO2 (RTD2) TKO7

This shows a clear power superiority of Wladimir, but of course Foreman was already 40+ years old, so this comparison is of limited use.

The punching power of Wladimir Klitschko is so superior to Foreman that it also shows in their world champion ship stats:

name and KO'ratio in world title fights:

·George Foreman 42.8% (3of7)
·Mike Tyson 62.5% (10of16)
·Wladimir Klitschko 77.7% (14of18)

How dangerous is George Foreman in later rounds?
Another aspect is "dangerousness" = whether a KO'er is dangerous in the first rounds only or throughout the whole fight.

Name and KO'ratio when fight ended in rounds 1-6 (non-bums) KO'ratio when fight ended in rounds 7-12 (non-bums) KO'ratio when fight ended in rounds 1-6 (non-bums, orthodox stance) KO'ratio when fight ended in rounds 7-12 (non-bums, orthodox stance)

·Wladimir Klitschko 87.5% 78.5% (11of14) 92.8% 88.8% (8of9)
·Mike Tyson 83.3% 25.0% (2of8) 83.3% 25.0% (2of8)
·George Foreman 100.0% 30.7% (4of13) 100.0% 25.0% (3of12)

Fistic Statistic [#2490.5]

You see how Tyson's and Foreman's dangerousness drops significantly the longer the fight goes on/

Wladimir Klitschko remains dangerous from first round to last.

In other words: Would you manage to survive the first rounds against Tyson or Foreman, your chances to survive the whole fight increase significantly whereas against Wladimir Klitschko your (little) chances increase only a little.

let's compare round 1-3 KOs of George Foreman and Wladimir Klitschko
Let's compare their early KOs (rounds 1-3):

Name, Median weight (of KO'victim round 1) Median weight (of KO'victim round 2) Median weight (of KO'victim round 3) Median record at bout (of KO'victim round 1-3) Of which were outweighed;'

·George Foreman overall 199 212 211 14-6 86%
·George Foreman 1970s 196 212 206 11-6 80%
·Wladimir Klitschko 233 232 244 18-4 42%
·Mike Tyson 215 218 220 16-3 60%

Fistic Statistic [#2490.6]

Let's compare the total number of KOs.

Name, KO'victims (sub-200 opponents, rounds1-3) KO'victims (200+ lbs opponents, rounds1-3) KO'victims (215+ opponents, rounds1-3);

·Wladimir Klitschko (not allowed) 28 KO'victims 23 KO'victims
·Mike Tyson 5 KO'victims 28 KO'victims 20 KO'victims
·George Foreman 12 KO'victims 34 KO'victims 17 KO'victims

Fistic Statistic [#2490.7]

As you can see Wladimir Klitschko has KO'ed the same amount of opponents 200+ lbs in round1-3 as Mike Tyson, and has KO'ed more superheavyweights 215+ lbs in round1-3 than George Foreman.

Let me explain these tables in clear words:

Wladimir Klitschko KO'ed far heavier opponents than Mike Tyson or George Foreman in rounds 1-3

In fact the Top10 heaviest KOs (any round) George Foreman ever scored (median 213 lbs) are below the AVERAGE of Wladimir Klitschko's KOs 233 lbs (any round, total career KOs)

For the same weight Wladimir Klitschko needed 1 round where George Foreman and Tyson needed 3 or more rounds
Wladimir Klitschko WAS OUTWEIGHED when scoring round1-3 KOs, as opposed to Mike Tyson and George Foreman who were OUT-WEIGHING their opponents.
On average Wladimir Klitschko KO'ed the better opponents in round1-3 than Mike Tyson and George Foreman

George Foreman and Mike Tyson
are LESS EFFECTIVE KO'ers (rounds 1-3) than Wladimir Klitschko
despite Wladimir Klitschko fighting
the HEAVIER opponents
the BETTER opponents
and more HEAVIER-THAN-SELF opponents.

So far 13 people survived fights with Foreman. But only 3 survived against Wlad.

Additionally

Prime George Foreman (median weight 217 lbs)
would be Wladimir Klitschko's
bottom-10 LIGHTEST opponent
and Vitali Klitschko's bottom-3 LIGHTEST opponent

Probably the easiest way to convince good-old-time nostalgists of the superiority of Klitschko (compared to Foreman) is to mention that George Foreman has scored only 3 KOs in world championship fights 200×2, whereas Wladimir Klitschko has scored approximately 5 times as many.
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If you are gonna count Wlads alphabet wins then you better count all formans fights since he was a no 4 contender !!

be fair, Wlad has had the no 1 title since chagaev he has NOT had 16 "title fights " when compared to big george

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