odlh was probably more weight-drained than shot vs. pac. the golden boy has no one to blame but his team for that. they clearly had the wrong weight strategy in making weight @147. they made 147 too early with still 1 month to go before the fight. they should've tried as late as possible to make 147 instead just like what other fighters normally do. as a result, they virtually shrunk odlh from a natural 154-lber to a very small 147-lber for the fight. pac just fights the guy in front of him. you can't blame him for a mistake that the other team did to themselves.
Sometimes sounds that way when a european fighter beats an american fighter! Sorry, couldn`t help it... just the first thought in my head
If the boxer weighed from 126 to 147, aged 29 yrs or above and was about to fight the Pacman, he is totally shot!atsch
Agreed. Age need not be the determining factor in a fighter's deterioration. We only need to look at JMM at 35 and Shane Mosley at 37 to see two fighters still near the top of their game. Ali too had total wars with Frazier and Norton as well as load of tough distance fights that he could have done without. That was a major factor in his deterioration. Tyson's the first guy that springs to mind when I think of a guy who could physically still compete at a reasonable level but doesn't have the mind to. I think that with guys with loads of fights on the clock there comes a time when they can't get properly motivated for it anymore. Sure, they'll train and they'll spar as before but they're missing that bit of fire that every champion needs.
Pacman piled on 40 pounds between his debut and his fight with DLH yet, at 30 years old and with 50 odd fights under his belt, he's far from shot.
Originally Posted by kalunya5964 This content is protected If the boxer weighed from 126 to 147, aged 29 yrs or above and was about to fight the Pacman, he is totally shot!atsch Of course He isn't. The boxer that is referred to as totally shot is not the Pacman but his would be opponent.
Correct. Barrera isn't shot, just past his best. Some people are so ******ed. There's a huge list somewhere showing a hundred or so posters who picked Barrera by KO, and now they say 'oh well of course Khan won cos Barrera was shot'
Tyson, yes. Gatti, yes. Oscar, the jury is out, he looked shot, but the weight issues may have been more significant. See how he looks next time out.
When a fighter heart is no longer in it they are shot by default. Mike Tysons last few fights demonstrated that. He even said in his last fight that he didn't have the desire anymore to gut it out...that he no longer had the "fighting guts" and that he'd been that way for some time. He was fighting only for $$$$!!! Once that fire/motivation to be supreme has gone its over - no matter how old a fighter is. Also mentally a fighter thats had a couple of beatings or brutal KO's will always have doubts in the back of his mind once he's in a losing fight...once that bubble of invincibility has popped...they are more willing to fold in adversity.
Who's saying MAB was shot on the basis of the Khan fight? That's impossible to say, as has been said, the cut was so bad, it wasn't an even fight after the cut. Barrera couldn't see properly. I don't think many people, apart from trolls, are going to deny Khan is skillful and extremely quick, a potentially really good boxer. The question mark has been his chin, but his skills haven't been questioned too much. For sure, at Barrera's stage in his career, MAB would have needed to see properly to avoid Khan's punches and put him under some kind of pressure. You can't tell from this fight whether MAB is shot or not. There are very few fighters, if ever, who could have won with that severe a cut received in round 1 of a fight.