When Is It Wise To Just Mug The Opponent From The Opening Bell?

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  1. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Why is that we constantly see fighters with greater durability and superior punch resistance take the chance of going the distance with an opponent who has better skills and/or stamina? Are boxers sometimes overly regimented to the point they can't use common sense and just try and take the opponents F'ing head off knowing that they're sure to lose anyway?

    What are some current and/or historical examples of when various fighters would have been better served to just jump on their man and try to get him out of there from the opening bell? In my view I don't think it happens nearly enough. Rare as the need may be, there are situations where this is genuinely called for.

    What is your opinion of the two sided mugging we saw in Hagler vs. Hearns?
     
  2. EpsilonAxis

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    I think mainly it's because it doesn't work.

    You can't just swing wrecklessly at a pro boxer for a few reasons:

    A) All of the upper class guys will see your looping punches coming and just counter the **** out of you.

    B) All of the upper class guys can punch. Even the feather-fisted guys can punch hard enough to hurt the average man badly.
     
  3. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    :lol: Let's assume the fighter is going to use all his expertise and not throw wild haymakers.
     
  4. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Take Wladimir Klitschko as an example. His typical opponent's ability to do any reasonable damage and protect themselves properly lasts for the first few rounds at most. During that time they have some sort of outside chance of getting to his vulnerable chin. It's easier said than done, but why fight out of a traditional set when this guy is taking several percentage points of your stamina with every jab? Why take 200 body shots trying to play pattycake with Cotto when you know he can be hurt? WHY WAIT? :lol:
     
  5. Realspitts

    Realspitts Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i dont know about durability but mayorga vs mosley is a good & recent example.

    usually ricardo wants to get the fight over with asap but it wasnt the case here. his composure & patience to box shane surprised the **** outta me. if mayorga would have came out guns blazing he probably would have gased and ended up getting ko'd early.
     
  6. dragosuhail

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    what epsilon said is true.

    as for using their skills, well it wont be mugging if they were using skills would it? however i think i know what you mean. go for broke but try to still retain some straight punches and variety etc.

    another reason and one i think plays a big part in why some fighters never do what you suggest it the danger of getting countered.

    what i mean is, even the most durable, iron chinned fighters can be hurt worse if they are going for broke.

    1. they run out of steam and could be stopped purely on exhustion. afterall taking punches when exhusted is much harder than when fresh.

    2. many highlight reel style ko's come when both fighters are throwing at the same time or the victim gets countered. it is harder to ko someone who uses the turtle defense with their chin tucked into their chest. basically it boils down to the fact you don't SEE the punch that ko's you. it's more likely you don't see that punch when your throwing bombs, rather than when in a turtle shell and bracing for impact all the time.

    3. some fighters have a great chin against 1 punch, but they are still human and therefore they know that a certain level of power means that accumilation will do them in. hence why they are cautious.

    there is NO ironed chin fighter in history who cannot be ko'ed. maybe no 1 punch. and maybe not even when countered or a combination. but even the best chins (or brains) break when accumilation builds up. so if they are exhusted after going for broke, then the accumilation will simply be earlier in the fight.
     
  7. san rafael

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    Brilliant example, Realspitts. Mayorga. That's a guy who made alot more money and headlined alot more programs because of the chances he took. Every fighter should have a little Ricardo Mayorga in them.

    Sugar Ray Robinson had it as well - not to mention everything else a fighter could have, of course. It was added dimensions like that that made Robinson the greatest ever. He could turn into a killer at any moment. Exactly.

    I like this post. We all have our own angle and I like yours. Good subject expansion.
     
  8. Marnoff

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    It is wise to mug the opponent from the opening bell when:

    1. You perceive yourself as being significantly disadvantaged in a number of ways than your opponent. For instance, you know you have bad stamina and your opponent has great stamina. You know you are technically inferior and/or have slow hands and your opponent is a quick moving counterpuncher.

    2. Your opponent is a slow starter who is susceptible early to an onslaught. Even if you don't knock him cold, you can bank some early rounds.
     
  9. bennyj

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    When they present a poor defense.. Having a good chin yourself doesnt hurt either, in order to take a possible onslaught yourself..How your chin?
     
  10. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Spot on. Good post.
     
  11. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    benny?
     
  12. bennyj

    bennyj Well-Known Member Full Member

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    oh, i guess you werent asking about yourself, sorry..lol
     
  13. Realspitts

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  14. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    NICE, another excellent example, RS. ^ :thumbsup

    True, Khan and Haye are perfect examples.

    Too bad for Maccarinelli he chose to stand and pose in front of Haye for almost two rounds instead of taking the initiative. Enzo threw a left hook in the first that moved Haye. But that was it.

    We know Prescott didn't hold back, though his job was insanely easy.
     
  15. bennyj

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    Hey Raph, you think Haye will come out smoking versus the Klitschko he fights?