When Is It Wise To Just Mug The Opponent From The Opening Bell?

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  1. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    At the same time, that is the only reason he lost to Thompson. He was punching his head in and got carried away, and punched himself out. Whereas he could have easily out boxed him. That is one of the reasons guys can be so tentative, they have fears, especially a guy like Wlad who will always be haunted by his KO losses despite being dominant over nearly everyone he steps in the ring with.

    There is also just the simple fact of getting use to your opponent, sussing them out etc. Although most of the time this will benefit the guy who isn't really able to gun for an early stoppage.

    Margarito won the fight in the second round imo, he put pressure on and really showed Cotto what he was going to be in for, he did let him off the hook a bit for the following couple of rounds but he knew the ending was inevitable. Even if you have an iron chin like Margo, it never pays to be too reckless, you can always get cut up and TKO'd. If you are 100% certain you can break an opponent down and stop them without rushing, and rushing presents a bigger risk (no matter how small), then there isn't a huge reason to do so.

    Though sometimes there are cases where it seems a fighters only chance to have any success is to just turn it into a street brawl, but they are content with a systematic beating or being pot shotted to a loss etc. In these cases (normally underdogs vs not so resilient champions) you can only speculate as to why they don't.
     
  2. bennyj

    bennyj Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If either Williams or Margarito clean out the welterweights, Id like to see either go up and challenge Pavlik, I believe those would be fun matches
     
  3. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Good stuff, konaman.

    In the Haye example Thompson wasn't the guy to try and blow out, obviously. Dumb thing to do by Haye. Like Marnoff said it's all about knowing the situation. Should Haye try and do that to Wladimir Klitschko? Definately.

    Even at the risk of getting cut up or hurt, Margarito's only option was going to be what he did. I'm not sure if he's incapable of moving at faster speed and/or higher intensity or what, but the slow pace at which he attacked is the primary reason he got smacked around as much as he did. Again, prime example. Margarito had no choice. Take the damage by coming forward and possibly win, or box conservatively and take the L. Indeed.
     
  4. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I haven't seen the fight for a while but it seemed as though Margo had a bit of trouble with movement early on, and at one point he seemed to change from following Cotto to actually cutting him off and cornering him, and when that happened he became very effective. If they have a rematch, unless Cotto makes some great improvements, you would expect Margo to be more effective earlier in the fight, especially with the hindsight knowledge of the first fight.
     
  5. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A classic example is Mayorga trying to do it to Hoya from the opening bell and getting kd by a left hook for his trouble. Charging into a strong counterpunch is suicide, good chin or not.

    Also Hearns ended up breaking his hand against Hagler and got ko'd.
     
  6. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Do you recall what De La Hoya did to Mayorga though? De La Hoya 'mugged' Mayorga in sustained bursts, he was extremely aggressive - which is why he got the mid rounds (early) stoppage. Mayorga wasn't wrong for going after De La Hoya - that's Mayorga, and he landed some very hard shots that stunned De La Hoya in the process. What was Mayorga going to do instead? Outbox him?

    Again, with Hearns he took the chance that his punching power would be the difference - a foolish thing to do against someone who had never even legitimately been off his feet 50 or 60 fights. What I have referred to best applies to Hagler, who knew he was in against a less durable opponent.

    In a generic sense the idea is turn it into a brawl if the other guy can't take the same level of punishment you can. That's deep water. Think Campbell vs. Diaz. Vera vs. Lee.
     
  7. Sage

    Sage Active Member Full Member

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    What about the first Pac/Marquez fight?



    If though the fight did go the distance, if the three knockdown rule was in effect it could have read Pac TKO 1 Marquez



    Pac just came out smoking from the bell and nearly pulled out an early stoppage
     
  8. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Have you ever been brutally knocked out? Boxers are trained to box... they aren't trained to be street fighters. When a fighter goes in there, and feels the power of the other fighter, and eats a large counter everytime that they begin to open up.... they learn quickly that they better not open up in that manner unless they want to be waking up off the canvas, asking what happened, and being rushed to the hospital for testing. What happens is... they sort of go into a shell, trying to see if the onslaught will wear down, OR see if their opponent will make a mistake, and leave an opening in which they can land the punch that they need to turn the fight around.
     
  9. EL-MATADOR

    EL-MATADOR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When your name is Ricardo Mayorga
     
  10. magnificentdave

    magnificentdave Constant Reminder Full Member

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    When you're fighting Golota, it's ALWAYS a good idea.
     
  11. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    When you have evidence that maybe your opponent has been drained and weakened by weight loss prior to the fight, and maybe looks a bit weak or drawn, in other words, something just don't look right about him, and you gamble that you can just roll over him, and overwhelm him at the bell, and just take him off guard in an all out blitz. It's a risky sort of thing in any case, but I've heard of it happening before, when a fighter is a brawler/slugger type and decides on intuition to put all his eggs in one basket at the "git-go" and sort of let it all hang out for a one round blitz.