When its all said and done Oscar de La Hoya will rank higher than Floyd Mayweather Jr

I'm going to judge the fights as I personally scored them. The same as any other boxing fan would. Don't pretend the concept of scoring a fight with your own eyes and disregarding the sanctity of the 3 ringside judges is unfamiliar to you.

If you scored the Trinidad fight and think he lost, fair enough, that's your view of the fight. But if you think performing below your standards of acceptable sportsmanship in 5 rounds and winning at least 7 somehow turns a plainly deserved win into a loss, then I can't help you with that departure from reality.

 

You act as if it was some clear blowout win for Oscar. It wasn't. BTW I had him losing. More important, he didn't deserve to win. For once, justice was actually served in boxing.

Unfortunately you gauged wrong. As for your Mosley analysis, it's laughable. And BTW...he lost.

 

The only measure for "deserving" a fight I know of is outlanding your opponent in a majority of rounds, dropping him multiple times to rack up points, or stopping him.

Go ahead and laugh if you find humor in facts. And yes, he lost. Just like Marquez lost to Pacquiao in the third fight, just like Chavez drew with Whitaker, just like Pacquiao lost to Bradley, just like Lara lost to Williams.

 

Oscar was a very good solid fighter, but Mayweather is special. Floyd will be remembered far longer than Oscar. This almost automatically ranks Floyd higher as an ATG than Oscar. Sorry if I hurt somebody, I personally cannot recall anything special in Oscars technique or personally a part from his handsomeness when he was younger.

 

And which one of those did Oscar do against Tito? BTW, outlanding an opponent is subjective. My two hard counters >>> 10 pitty pat shots. But that's neither here nor there. We don't count punches in boxing for a reason.

Give me a f*cking break. De La Hoya-Mosley II wasn't some outrage. Well, maybe for the HBO announcers. 16 of 24 ringside reporters had Shane winning so it wasn't as if they were throwing bottles in the ring a la Pacquiao-Marquez III. Furthermore, Mosley was at the lowest point in his career when Oscar finally decided to give him a rematch. In fact, that's pretty much the only reason he got the rematch. And he was never a great fighter at 154. Never. And finally...Oscar lost. Get it? He lost.

 

There isnt one fighter on FMJ's resume that beats Trinidad at 147 let alone FMJ facing someone like Trinidad.

 

Everybody who comments about the Whitaker fight, read this before writing anymore bull****:
They're rolling out 'Whitaker was past prime' - that's pretty dishonest.

1. Where in the world do you see a Pernell Whitaker in Mayweather's resume? Pernell beats Mayweather! Mayweather's 0 will go.

2. Whitaker is a Top 20 ATG, top 5 most skilled fighter ever.

3. Watch De La Hoya-Whitaker and Whitaker-McGirt 2 (example of an earlier fight), there's very little difference in Whitaker's ability in the fight. Whitaker even landed more shots than a young prime De La Hoya, although ODLH landed the most telling shots of the fight. So how bad does this make Whitaker at the time of the fight? Still one of the BEST fighters H2H to be in a ring with. Mayweather's best competitor was Jose Luis Castillo. 'You're comparing apples with oranges here', Whitaker is a different kettle of fish.

4. You'll prefer to have an even fight with Whitaker and a big win against 35(30)-0 prime ATG Trinidad over wins against Castillo, Corrales, Hatton AND Genaro - this is a big point here.

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Big ****ing deal Oscar lost to Bernard and Sturm. Oscar should not have even entered into that weight class. Oscar was a fat little **** in the Bernard and Sturm fights. Why not give him props for taking the fight? Surely you'd give Floyd props for taking a fight in the same scenario, with Floyd just being way too small. Floyd is scared of fighting a 154lb Canelo, guys. Wake up.

P4P, Oscar > Floyd just about.

 

We scored the fights differently. We've established that. Stop repeating "he lost" as if the judge's verdict means anything to me or anybody else with a working pair of eyes. Some people think he won. Get it?

 

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Oh I get it. Unfortunately, you can't pass either opinion as fact. Actually, the fact is, he lost to both Tito and Shane, although the former was far more controversial. Then again, he has robbed as many people as he's been robbed. The fact is, the best clear win on his resume is over Fernando Vargas. The fact is, that's not good enough. Get it?

 

Bogotazo, **** it. LikeFatherandSon admitted on a different thread about Oscar that he doesn't like Oscar, and what's the point of even attempting to reason with someone who thinks Oscar lost the fight with Trinidad? lol

 

What other thread?

I'm not his biggest fan but that doesn't mean I can't fairly judge him. Oscar is a modern great and a first ballot HOF'er. Did great things for the sport as well and continues to do so, actually. But is his resume better than Mayweather's? Absolutely not.

 

Floyd smacked up Whitaker in sparring when he was 17

 

There is a nice exampe of Whitaker sparring: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IvMC__dFBo
From the looks - nothing special. But it is just a routine sparring which proves nothing.

Ali did not look awesome in sparrings against Holmes

 

I swear you've repeated this **** before lol
Floyd could get the upper hand on Frankie Randall in sparring, but chose not to. As for Whitaker, he said Whitaker was a 'good learning experience'. Basically Whitaker schooled him :rofl