When Joe beats Roy, how much credit will you give him?

No. I won't give him any credit. I won't give him credit for taking the fight either.

 

Well... Hopkins was a top p4p-er and still a p4p-er and Roy is off the list since the 2nd Tarver fight so it's not the same Roy. But I'll give Joe credit since Jones wasn't bad at all the last time.

The big problem for Joe that no one will give credit for him whomever he fights since if he exposes Pavlik, Kelly's gonna be the next overrated guy. Roy will be too old. Dawson exposed already according to many...

By the way: Calzaghe was total class saying in the post-fight conference that he's a big fan of Roy! :happy

 

i couldnt call calzaghe v jones..could go either way..

kg0208...been meaning to ask for a while ...who's the avatar pic??

 

I'll give him credit for beating Pavlik.

Jones has already been badly KO'd by Glen Johnson and lost twice to Antonio Tarver, so this would hardly be a "legend killing."

 

Everyone is overrated and everyone is exposed. So instead of looking at the extreme fans who say that about everyone, lets look at the actuality of what is going on in the ring.

Dawson is an unbeaten champion who just won a close hard fight with a battle proven veteran. He is also a tall lanky southpaw with very good speed. Calzaghe beats him, he gets full credit. He just beat Hopkins, and Dawson and Tarver are the only other champions at LHW that get him credit. Tarver is 40yrs old too and lost badly to Hopkins. So Dawson it is.

Pavlik is the unbeaten MW champion. Calzaghe beats him, the only issue is people saying he is too small. That won't happen much though since honestly, Pavlik may be bigger than Calzaghe. He would get full credit here. Call him overrated? Well then who in the MW division is any good? He can't exactly fight Kessler again now can he?

Those are his best options. If someone pulls the overrated card, it's easy enough to point out that there is no one else in or around his weight class who is more highly regarded than these two fighters.

Jones is old. He didn't look bad against Trinidad, who has never fought above 160 before and was coming off a two year layoff. He also blew no one's socks off. He isn't half of what he was. A win over him means money and nothing more. He will get no credit. Does Johnson get credit for his win over Jones? Not much.....so Calzaghe won't either.

 

That was years ago. Carlos Quintana was KOd as well so you didn't give him any credit for the Williams win?

Legend killing? Of course not. But it would be a great win.

The best thing probably is fighting Roy and fighting Pavlik and retire.

 

My wife.

 

Sure I do. Why wouldn't I?

As for RJJ, we're talking about fights 51, 52 and 53 out of 56. He was around 35/36 at the time, and almost 40 now.

Yes, if it wasn't the last one.

This would be perfect, but from what Joe's saying, he only wants the one fight and then retire so he can be undefeated.

In other words, now that he's finally penetrated to top-level opposition, he's skipping out.

 

Joe will fight whoever he can make the most money from. As this may well be his last fight, you can hardly blame him for that. So if that's a past it Jones, so be it

 

Calzaghe has been facing top level opposition for years. If you mean 'elite fighters', then you also must consider that 1)Joe was chasing a fight with Jones Jnr for years. 2) Hopkins himself pulled out of a previously agreed fight several years ago 3) Jermain Taylor declined an offer of $6m, so JC went and fought Kessler instead.4) Sven Ottke was never going to agree with a fight against JC in a million years.

My point being is that Calzaghe can't FORCE these fellas to fight him. He's 36/37 now and well past his prime just as Hopkins was. One more fight then time to retire with his health intact

 

does she know you have her on the net like that?? BAD BOY:smoke

 

I think her presence on the net pre-dated my avatars on ESB:bbb

 

very true mate:good

 

Story of his ****in career