When Manny was knocked out byJMM, did Floyd forever pass Manny as p4p ATG?

Well, in the long run, their comparative accomplishments will be based on proxy, because they will never fight each other, and even if they do, all the relevance is gone. The Pacquiao-Mayweather cold war has been raging for 3 years or so, and Mayweather is - and has been for some time - firmly in front.

Now, as far as ATG lists go, Pac is still ahead in my opinion, although that KO by JMM did some damage to his standing. FMJ is two big wins away from passing him, imo.

 

Duran is ahead of Leonard, but Leonard beat him twice. He also beat the two others who beat him. Yet he is ranked below Duran. Problem?

 

To me, I feel like Pacquiao exceeded expectations, while Mayweather hasn't really lived up to it. JMO

Marquez fought Pacquiao twice post Cotto win, Mayweather wouldn't even step in the ring with him. Imagine the credit he would've gotten fighting and beating post-Cotto Pacquiao

 

I know, I don't normally give indirect props just only in the case of floyd-pac and you know how bad it is looking for pac atm. He should have took the 40 mil floyd offered to but he didn't, right now I bet that is one of his biggest regrets and probably in the future will write about it saying its one of his biggest regrets in life as right now I don't see that fight happening anymore. From a 10% chance of happening it drop to 0 the moment he got knock cold by a guy floyd toyed with.

At the end of their careers and probably 20 years from now, their resume will be reflected upon, and the story of the rivalry and the fight that never happened. JMM will always be the link to that story, which will be debated upon by future generations and people will always see it as an indirect win for floyd.

 

Then you *******s need to stop claiming Pacquiao won the Bradely fight...

 

By not fighting anyone? Can I be an ATG too?

 

I think future generations will blame Floyd more than Team Pac for the loss. But I don't really care what the narrative is 20 years from now, because you don't win fights without fighting them. Their accomplishments are close, but I think Manny has the edge. But the thread topic is on Manny's loss, which came form a knockout by Juan Manuel Marquez, not Floyd Mayweather Jr. Floyd beating JMM 3 years ago does not automatically entitle him to absorb everything JMM has done from that point on.

*******? You new or just confused? Seeing as how you think Bradley won the fight and looking at your join date, I'm wagering the latter. The hell does that have to do with a proxy win? Manny and Tim actually fought. A win by proxy is the dumb notion that you absorb the win of a fighter you previously beat.

 

Floyd has always been the better fighter from amatuer, early, mid and late pro. Manny really only became a well known fighter after barrera and then went off cherry picking.

 

bogotazo is a *******. all posters who make floyd bad on this forums are labeled *******.

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OP when Duran was KTFO by Hearns did than mean SRL went ahead of Duran in th ATG list.
Never mind the fact that Duran also quit against SRL.

 

Troll thread... Floyd was never behind Manny. Manny's loss only cemented the fact that he can never be ahead of Floyd ATG.

Also, I don't consider Manny an ATG personally. He's a great fighter of our era. Like an improved version of Arturo Gatti + steroids. Nothing more than that though.

 

Due to the Jeremy Lin effect, no.

But he'll always be seen as the superior boxer H2H

 

A perfect post defining Manny's "legacy". He's a great fighter of our generation, but that's not to be confused with an all-time great fighter.

Floyd is an ATG but not too high up on the list. Except at 130. He's high up on the ATG list at 130.

 

I am interested in learning how Manny's accomplishments are even remotely comparable to Floyds.

Manny fights DLH after DLH loses to Floyd and gets orbital bone broken by Steve Forbes. DLH weighs less than Manny on fight night.

Manny fights Hatton after Hatton almost loses every fight after Floyd.

Manny fights Cotto after Cotto gets demolished by Margs and then given a gift decision where he looked like **** against Clottey. Oh, and there's a catchweight.

Manny fights Margs after Mosley destroys him and Margs struggles with some journeyman fighter. Oh, and there's a catchweight and rehydration limit.

Manny fights Clottey and looks okay given the fact that Clottey didn't do anything.

Manny fights Mosley after he gets annihilated by Floyd and draws versus a journeyman in Sergio Mora. Manny didn't look too good.

Manny fights JMM at 38 and looks like ****.

Manny fights Bradley and wins but doesn't look overly impressive.

Manny gets KTFO by a 39 year-old slow, plodding JMM.

***And Manny refuses to take OSDT during this "reign"***

I don't understand what was sensational about his run. He fights marketable names who are thoroughly shot or are coming off one-sided losses / consecutive bad performances. How can so many people fall for this very blatant tactic?

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Another list that changed was Mayweather's resume, JMM's name jumped up a couple spots in the "Past opponents" area.