When moving up weight does a fighter really "lose" his power

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  1. Eastpaw

    Eastpaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    this subject has always intrigued me because power comes from genes rather than how much body weight you possess. matthysse hits harder than fighters at 147, and golovkin hits harder than kovalev(hardest puncher at 175 second to beterbiev IMO) which is absolutely ridiculous. but this question arises: do fighters lose their power when moving up or does it just seem like they lose it due to their opponents being bigger and being able to shake off their punches. i read in an interview that golovkin doesn't even spar against middleweights because none of them can take his punches.
     
  2. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    I think there might be some truth to that.. Bigger fighters are used to taking punches from big fighters. Guys moving up usually have to adapt to that weight. But then again there's fighters out there who are able to move up and be a KO type puncher like Mickey Garcia and Manny Pacquaio. So anything is possible.
     
  3. Robney

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    They don't lose their power. The fighters in the higher weightclasses just have better punch resistance due to being naturally bigger, with everything that comes whith it.
    So you need more power, and just adding extra weight and muscle doesn't always do the trick. Boxers tend to get slower and lose the "snap" in their punches. Moving less athletic, becoming more stationairy.
    More mass, but less speed to deliver the mass.

    Look at Moorer's build as a LHW and a HW for example. Pretty clear why he only scored 18 KO's out of 35 fights in his Heavyweight career after going 22-0, 22KO's as a LHW.
     
  4. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    He doesn't lose his power. His power just stays the same. The opponents are bigger and take a better punch. Great power at lightweight is average power at welterweight and featherfisted at middleweight.
     
  5. Eastpaw

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    do you think floyd lost his power due to weight, changes in his style, or him having brittle hands? there's been many instances in his fights where he could have put a guy away but never went in for the kill, i don't think brittle hands had anything to do with it to be honest
     
  6. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    I think it had a lot to do with him moving up in weight... He only stopped guys by TKO accumilated by punches in bunches in the lower weight classes.. As he moved up he became more feather fisted... Floyd was never a 1 punch KO puncher though, his KO's came because of his speed and precision punching ability. Which often enough were too much for fighters in the lower weight classes.
     
  7. Robney

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    Nah, he was allowed to numb them in all of his Nevada fights (last decade of his career), so that surely wasn't his problem. Floyd's going up in weight and being very defensive in his later career are the main reasons in his case.
     
  8. Eastpaw

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    Xelloss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was always under the impression Floyd became feather fisted because his hands started going bad. Depending on punching style and physique, some people punch harder as they get bigger. But if your frame, particularly your hands can't support it you can start getting fractures and other problems.

    Floyd and Calzaghe are two examples that come to mind.

    Sergio Martinez's athletic and awkward style was much more effective when he both put on mass and stopped effectively weight cutting. Manny seemed to also gain power to a point, maybe about 140lbs or so.

    Chavez Jr on the other hand lost almost all his effectiveness once he stopped weighing 25lbs more than his opponent on fight night. Pavlik and Abraham lost power, relatively speaking when they moved up as well.

    I really think it just depends, and though sometimes you can make an educated guess you never know for sure until they do it. Examples can be made of people gaining and losing power as they climb weight, though losing seems more common overall.
     
  10. SmackDaBum

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    Canelo would hit harder if he stopped to drain himself and fought in his natural weight class instead.
     
  11. Robney

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    Yes, but as a Cruiser he would get mauled :lol:
     
  12. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    Manny weighed at 144 or so when he contested at 126. Back then most guys weighed less than him. Now most weigh outweigh him by 10+ pounds.
    He can still obviously hurt them but he wont be able to put them away as easily.
     
  13. donizhere

    donizhere Well-Known Member Full Member

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    if hes weight drained he could gain power moving up
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    Fighters don't lose power when they move up, they lose their relative power advantage.

    Also, they often lose a bit in height and reach, relative to their opponents, and so this also puts them at a relative disadvantage in delivery their power.
     
  15. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fighters don't 'lose their power' when moving up. They are hitting bigger men.