When people say 18-3 to discredit Lomachenko

On my scorecards he’s 21-0

Clearly beat Salido and Haney

eeked out a win versus Lopez, I understand a draw too.

 

Loma should really be 20-1 but his resume is still stellar. Loma is a great fighter that has fought good competition and possesses great skills, that's undeniable. Not sure if he should be considered as an ATG but he's still a legit HOF fighter. It sickens me how modern fans now consider losses as such a huge blow to a fighters reputation. People put so much care and emphasis on being unbeaten nowadays. I've seen people actually saying that Loma has a record like a journeyman. It's unbelievable how bad casuals are now.

 

Anybody denigrating him so, DKSAB.

All twenty-one combatants have been world ranked, and nineteen of them (excluding Gamalier Rodríguez and Romulo Koasicha) were indeed world class or at least on the fringes of it.

Nobody else has ever started their pro career the way he did, and then maintained that LOC throughout virtually all the way.

José Luis Ramírez as it stands is a ridiculous choice of pro debut. Orlando Salido for a sophomore outing in a world title contest is just unhinged. Then both GRJ and Tatakhun before finally stepping down in class for a couple of fights - and then return to form starting with Rocky Martínez and not look back, 15 bouts and counting...

Pish tush, honestly. 18-3 is a nitpickable record if you came up the normal way, feasting on tomato cans and then a gradient of gatekeepers on your way to contention. Lomachenko is obviously a different case.

 

Are there still Loma haters? I thought they were mostly Haney race-based fans, and it doesn't seem like Haney has any fans anymore.

 

...and before anybody starts to protest that GamRod was legitimately fringe world class - nah. Exactly one quality victory in his entire career, over an Orlando Cruz fresh off a savaging at the hands of Siri. As for Koasicha - zero notable victories, and was shut out & dropped thrice by Cruz a couple of years after the losses to Salido and GamRod.

Aside from that pair, you're hard pressed to find anybody Lomachenko faced that wasn't genuinely top fifteen in the world in their division when he faced them - again, starting with his professional debut.

 

Great fighter, but not an ATG fighter.

The pushback Loma gets is based on his fans' overexuberance about what he is and the way they hyped him out of the gate. Instead of celebrating him as a great fighter who has lost legitimately at least twice, they insist on cooking up a bunch of excuses when that's not even necessary.

The truth of it is that Loma will go down memorably not only because of his accomplishments but because of his style. He's a very graceful athlete in a sport that doesn't always showcase grace, even at world level.

From an accomplishments PoV, he's a full step down from Inoue for example. And there is no shame in that! He has been a great fighter altho at this point I hope he gets out soon.

 

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Even for the Lopez match, I still don't understand how much his shoulder injury played a part in his performance...

 

Not an ATG? What are you talking about? Loma is one of the best fighters to ever step into a ring. He destroys anyone in his natural weight. He is as good as I have seen and I have been watching boxing for 50+ years.

 

Lomachenko is an all time great, a massive overachiever and a great success story. That being said he is 18-3 and I never see anyone mentioning that.

This thread looks like an attempt by a Ukrainian, slavic or a white nationalist to create a discussion about their hero where a discussion really can't be created.

 

This post is a perfect illustration of what I posted above about Loma fans overhyping him to absurdity. His ring accomplishment do not support his being an ATG, much less one of the very best fighters ever. Nothing he has ever done supports that, whether you analyze his losses *or* his wins. It's just not there.

For whatever reason, Loma fans refuse to accept that he has been "merely" a great fighter. It's just not good enough for them.