When Roy Jones felt he was wronged he came back and destroyed Montell.Why wont Manny?

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  1. randy brown

    randy brown $$$ Full Member

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    what can pac do better in a rematch? none. timmy is just a nightmare of a match to anyone who doesn't like movement.
     
  2. Primera

    Primera Guest

    I've said it multiple times, the fight that we want to see out of the recycled garbage is Bradley, but the question is will BOB ARUM allow this, knowing how little of a draw Bradley is. Us (as fans) couldn't care less about PPV.
     
  3. ThaWiseJester

    ThaWiseJester Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is the first fight that Pac had options which he know he can lose to all 4.. Floyd,Cotto,Timmy,Juan.. Where as other fights he can fight a guy that was previously KO'd or weight drained,or both in some cases..
     
  4. brnxhands

    brnxhands Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He didnt fracture his foot. You dont fight going backwards when your foot is fractured. It rolled an he caught his balance. Yes manny is slowing down but he still has enough left to be competitive. He needs to focus
     
  5. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    They aren't even the same. Roy was DQ'd in accordance to the rules, therefore, a legitimate loss. With Pac vs. Bradley, that's going down in history as one of the worse decisions ever.
     
  6. XavierHollywood

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    honestly, at this point, I just dont think Pac gives a damn anymore. His hunger is completely gone and he is in major decline. I think Pac is nearing the point where he should just have one more farewell fight in The Phils and just call it a career.

    A fight with Floyd would be pointless now, that ship has come and gone. A fight with Timmeh, does anyone really want to see that again? Same for Marquez.
     
  7. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Yep...

    Roy I think was totally pissed at himself at the end of the day and took it out on Griffin, just like he did when he got the DQ except he did it legal the second time...

    Totally different from Pac beating Bradley, and getting a wrong decision. Plus, Roy was still prime...
     
  8. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    If for no other reason, I'd want that fight to see that happen.
     
  9. ThaWiseJester

    ThaWiseJester Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Where have you been at,yes he did... You don't sit in a wheel chair after the fight then go to the hospital for a sprained ankle..Or are you saying all the reports are false?

    I agree that he needs to focus,but on a no risk fight like Juan,if he wants to continue boxing and Manny knows this as well..
     
  10. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    You think Pac would destroy Bradley?

    Bradley provided a non-stationary target and that always gives anyone some trouble, particularly someone like Pacquiao who's used to having a figher stuck in mud in front of him.

    I'd certainly make Pacquiao the favorite, Bradley lacks in counterpunching timing and accuracy, but off of Pacquiao's performance against Bradley, I dont see where Bradley will do any worse, if anything Bradley with a healed leg and having the opportunity to have already experienced Pacquiao's awkwardness, will do better.
     
  11. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I think Bradley will be willing to take more chances (I don't think his in-range lateral movement will improve considering how far out he was turning), and Manny will be less focused on fighting "smart" in a good performance and let his hands go a bit more when he can afford to. I think his mentality in this fight was "be responsible, don't over-commit so much because you can't afford to anymore, and be prepared to counter without assuming Tim will come forward like we did against Marquez." With the same template of stepping over when the opponent circles out instead of blindly following his opponent around the ring, an added ferocity can bring back the old Manny in a way; I'm merely interested in seeing if he can do that.
     
  12. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Added ferocity. We must not have seen the same fight.
    Pacquiao did let his hands go. Watch the fight, he has no problem letting his hands go, its just he's outright missing his shots when Bradley is swiveling his hips and avoiding the shots.

    This has nothing to do with ferocity and everything to do with Pacquiao not being able to gauge a target thats not stationary.

    A rematch should pretty much go how the first fight went. Pacquiao not respectful of Bradley's punching power, but still only able'd to connect with arm punches instead of solid shots thrown with force.


    Regardless of how offensive his opponent fights, Pacquiao has'nt shown he can do much when his opponent is circling and or waiting for him to get off first.

    Pacquiao overwhelming Bradley with activity has been shown is not going to be effective in tha the sense for Pacquiao to look spectacular.
    Pacquiao may very well beat Bradley to a decision, sure, but he's not going to do it in a high end spectacular fashion and that imo is very evident by his showing in the first fight.

    I agree with you that Bradley lacked pivoting and firing when in range, but still, in many instances he was outhustling Pacquiao on the inside and getting off first and working the body better than Pacquiao.
    On the inside, Bradley imo was better than Pacquiao even without taking advantage of Pacquiao's misses and the opportnity to counter off of them.

    To beat Pacquiao, Bradley is going to have to be a little better in gauging and timing off of Pacquiao's misses and not circle to far out as you've mentioned.
    Its not a Bradley strongpoint as you know. Very few fighters can zone in and produce against a faster handed fighter like Marquez can on the inside.
     
  13. larryx2012

    larryx2012 I AM BETTER THEN YOU Full Member

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  14. larryx2012

    larryx2012 I AM BETTER THEN YOU Full Member

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    So why not prove it in a rematch?
     
  15. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Because no one ****s with Prime Roy Jones, that's why.