When RRJ & Floyd were both active, how come nobody...

Okay. But we know that Roy was paid significantly more than that in some of his other fights.

He was paid $4.5m for the Virgil Hill fight.

 

Zod, do you know the specifics of the stripping of the belts incident?

Did he vacate the WBA belt?

Or was he stripped of it?

Did he have a choice?

Could he have kept both of his belts (WBA and IBF) had he have immediately have relinquished his WBO belt?

 

Why?

He had good opposition.

Montell Griffin
Virgil Hill
Reggie Johnson
Eric Harding
Antonio Tarver

They were as good as the majority of Floyd’s opponents.

 

I've explained why I don't see it.

I don't think the version of Roy who weighed within LMW was good enough to beat the Floyd who was LMW champ and P4P number 1.

 

Reggie Johnson was a very good pro. Had just knocked out Guthrie who everyone was hyping.
I thought for sure he would test Roy- slick southpaw who could fight.
Roy destroyed him. I mean he made Johnson look like it was his first time putting boxing gloves on.
2 years latter Johnson is losing a split decision to Tarver.
Thulane Maligna was a soild pro. I believe he won the title 2 times. Gave Benn a fight and made it difficult for Eubanks.
Roy PLAYED with him before knocking him out.
Virgil Hill had never been stopped. True I thought he was past it when he signed to fight Roy but Hill had always been game and extremely durable.
I was also curious to see how Rot handled Hills jab.
Roy broke Hill in half with ONE body shot.
Hill would go on to when the Cruiserweight title TWICE afterwards.
Mayweather has got NOTHING on Roy when it comes to prime for prime.

 

Give us a breakdown.

You’re talking about the version of Roy who fought Vaca, which was less than a year before he fought Castro.

Floyd wasn’t even a JMW.

He weighed in at 150.5 pounds.

How would a safety first 150 pound fighter, have beaten the versions of Roy who fought Stackhouse and Vaca etc?

Floyd held a reach advantage over Canelo.

Floyd held a huge speed advantage over Canelo.

Canelo feared getting countered all night and he stood off of Floyd and he didn’t press and pressure him.

A 22 year old version of Roy was significantly bigger, stronger and heavier than Floyd, with comparable speed and huge one shot knockout power in either hand.

Roy would have had zero respect for Floyd’s size, speed or power and he wouldn’t have fought him in the defensive manner which Canelo did.

Floyd wouldn’t have done anything with Roy.

Nothing.

He’d have been beaten to the punch and fought defensively, as he’d have held no offensive advantages.

 

I've told you what I think he'd do. I think he would time Jones shots, over and over again.

Jones as a LMW was far too inexperienced to just go in against the P4P number 1 at his weight class and win.

Obviously he might pull off the upset, stranger things have happened, but I don't see Floyd losing to someone in their very first fight at a world level.

 

This. Besides hardcore boxing fans nobody knew who the heck Floyd even was before the Oscar fight. I remember being at a UFC fight in 2003 and both Chris Byrd and Floyd were at the event. Everybody knew who Byrd was and kept talking to him and asking him when he was going to fight for the UFC, but completely ignored Floyd’s existence. Floyd didn’t say anything, but I could tell he resented all the attention that Byrd was getting.

After the Oscar fight and the Wrestlemania appearance Floyd became a household name though.

 

Behave.

He’d have been in a defensive shell.

He had no physical or offensive advantages over Roy.

None.

Once again, Roy’s last official JMW fight was just before he fought Vaca, which was less than a year before he fought Castro. It’s the same guy.

Roy was never a JMW where he had a run in the division. He was a MW, who only on 2 occasions weighed in as a JMW.

It would have been a 150 pound fighter vs a slimmed down MW, who would have weighed significantly more on fight night.

It doesn’t matter if Floyd was number 1 and Roy was inexperienced.

It’s how they’d have matched up stylistically.

A 36 year old, 150 pound Floyd, wasn’t beating Roy at 22 years of age.

It’s an absolute fantasy.

 

Stop being a daft twat now.

No one is walking into LMW in their very first world level fight and beating a P4P number 1 Floyd Mayweather.

 

Vaca was a world level fighter who had fought Terry Norris and Mark Breland.

Roy knocked him out in a round.

 

I know I've seen it.

 

You are the one who’s been daft.

Roy was a world class fighter in 1991 and 1992.

Read carefully:

Roy’s last official JMW fight was just prior to him fighting Jorge Vaca.

Jorge Vaca was a world class fighter who had beaten Mark Breland and who had fought Terry Norris to S/D.

Roy beat him in a round.

Okay.

The JMW version of Roy and the version who fought Jorge Vaca was the same guy.

The fights were only months apart.

Roy wasn’t even an official JMW. He was a MW.

A 150 pound Floyd was not beating a MW version of Roy.

Stop.

 

Right.

So you know that that is essentially the version of Roy we are discussing for your hypothetical scenario.

A 150 pound Floyd wasn’t beating the version of Roy who beat Vaca in a round.

Get back in the real world.

 

A LMW Jones is not beating P4P number 1 Floyd in his very first world level fight.

Now that we've dealt with that back to the topic at hand.

Their careers as superstars didn't really overlap, it wasn't until Jones started losing that Floyd overtook him in a P4P sense.