When SRL beat Hagler, one judge had it 118-110.

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  1. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Theres a reason there are 3 judges.
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's just funny how you made that statement not knowing what actually happened to him. He judged the Donny Lalonde Eddie Davis fight later that year. He went on to judge some of the biggest fights in boxing like Terry Norris vs Donald Curry, Nigel Benn vs Gerald McClellan, and other fights with big names like Azumah Nelson vs Jesse James Leija II in Vegas, a Buddy McGirt Title Fight, a Mayweather Fight, the Baldomir Clottey Fight, two Eric Lucas fights, an Erik Morales fight, a Jorge Arce fight, he judged the Chad Dawson vs Jesus Ruiz fight a personal favorite of mine, a Chavez Jr fight and an Andre Berto World Title Fight in ’08, another Morales fight in ’10, this guy went to judge some of the biggest names in boxing for decades, and was still judging until last year (April 2016 apparently).

    What’s interesting is he judged the Mike Tyson Bonecrusher Smith bout less than a month before SRL Hagler, and we all know that Tyson Bonecrusher Smith was Bonecrusher just running away from Tyson the entire fight, until the last 10 seconds when he finally got in some offense. I wonder if that bout actually may have influenced Guerra’s score of SRL Hagler with SRL fighting off the blackfoot with much greater offense than Bonecrusher did vs Tyson.
     
  3. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    There was great debate as to who won back in the day, Hagler or Leonard, but none in the media made a big issue of the judge that ridiculously had it 118-110 Hagler, certainly nobody was up at arms about it like Teddy Atlas was.

    The difference in Hagler-Leonard and Canelo-Golovkin is that the big story to write about would be Leonard beating Hagler.

    There was no such angle for Canelo-Golovkin so the media created such angle and made the big story to be about 118-110 and corruption in boxing.
     
  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're right, and great post. It's sad because had Don Trella given one of those swing rounds to Alvarez, the story would have been Alvarez won and he would have gotten the adulation of a Sugar Ray Leonard Hagler style win. Instead he scored it a draw and the media went into hysterics over the 118-110 card and into the "boxing corruption angle".

    I don't think the vast majority of fans have any kind of an appreciation for the performance of Canelo Alvarez and what he was able to do to the unstoppable destroyer Triple G. I mean Canelo Alvarez fought a brilliant fight that would make SRL proud, the punches he landed on Triple G were just unbelievable, no one's ever done that to Triple G. I can't wait to hear what SRL has to say about the fight.
     
  5. divac

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    Those in the media that scored for Golovkin are of the opinion that although Canelo's defense was great with his waist movements and making Golovkin miss, he wasn't making him pay enough. That Canelo would win the first minute and just play defense the last 2 minutes.

    Now I say why wasn't Leonard criticized for that. In fact, Leonard mostly ran circles around the ring avoiding action and did most of his punching the last 30 seconds of the rounds.
    Yet its Canelo who gets criticized for playing rope a dope on the ropes and Leonard gets praised for skipping and hopping around the ring avoiding Hagler until there was 30 seconds to go in the round.
    Leonard has since admitted the plan was to steal the rounds.

    The point is Canelo spent more minutes in the fight punching than Leonard did, but its Leonard who gets praised by the media for as they put it, propinating Hagler a boxing lesson.

    Its a pity that whatever the media say's the fans eat it up and buy as the Gospel truth. LOL!
     
  6. Drew101

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    So, he judged a fight between Lalonde and Davis on a fight held in Trinidad, a handful of other title fights in Asia (including another disputed nod toward Chitilada in his rematch against Kim), and then four years later started getting higher profile fights like Norris-Curry, at a point when Curry was damaged goods. It took seven years for him to judge another title fight in Vegas and eight for him to get a really high profile fight with Benn-McClellan, and even then, that was in England. Most of his assignments were in his native Mexico, or outside of the Americas.

    To be fair, most of the decisions that he rendered appear pretty sound (like his card favoring Johnston over Mendy in France). So, maybe Leonard-Hagler was just a misread. You never know. Maybe he could have been influenced by Leonard doing better off the backfoot than most expected. Either way, he continued to judge, but didn't get near the main event of a superfight like Hagler-Leonard for quite some time.
     
  7. Drew101

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    "The Illusion of Victory" an article by Hugh McIlvanney published by Sports Illustrated a couple of weeks after the fight.

    Vito Antuofermo, who scored the fight for Leonard.

    Larry Merchant

    So, even many of the people who scored for Leonard knew what they were watching.
     
  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I thought that quote could be applied to Canelo and G as well. Canelo won the drama and looked like he was able to impose his boxing style on G. (to great effect) Even G said in the post fight he wanted it to be big drama show but he couldn't make his usual drama, which was because of how Canelo imposed his boxing style on him.
     
  9. Farmboxer

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    I had Hagler beating Leonard. When I was on the promoters bus Sylvester Stallone's brother had Hagler winning the fight and he was there at ringside, expensive seats. Wynton Marsales told me the same thing...............he was there also...............
     
  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who fought better : SRL vs Hagler for Canelo vs Triple G?
     
  11. rski

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    Yeah he felt under appreciated didn't he. Can you imagine the outcry now if someone of that stature was to retire under the circumstances he did. I am a fan of Leonard's but that whole situation left a bad taste, the way he messed hagler about.
     
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  12. Drew101

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    I don't think GGG appeared to be quite as bamboozled against Canelo as Hagler seemed to be, at least for a while, against SRL. GGG's incessant pressure eventually gave the impression to two of the judges that he, in fact, was imposing himself on Canelo after a while. The fact that he "took back the narrative", at least for a while, was the main reason why one of the judges scored for him and the other called it a draw.
     
  13. Manfred

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    Two totally different fighters, two totally different eras, two totally different mindsets. People looked at the two fighter in a totally different way, no comparison can be made. Keep this in mind, nobody booed Leonard or Hagler.
     
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