When was Juan Manuel Marquez's peak as a fighter?

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  1. #Tremendous

    #Tremendous Active Member Full Member

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    I can't tell you when Marquez's prime was, he's been fighting the same way from 1998 up until now.

    He did get alot slower when he moved up to 130 though.
     
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  2. PityTheFool

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    I think it all depends on the opponent.He seems to find it harder against guys who are willing to stand off or fight on the back foot.
     
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  3. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    You think so?

    I'd say he's become much more agressive around 2006 to present time.

    In particular, after the John robbery.
     
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  4. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    Marquez won that fight.

    But it did show Marquez' shortcomings.
     
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  5. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    No arguing that.

    Marquez has always had trouble with pure boxers. You can see this as far back as the Norwood fight (which Marquez edged it out IMO).
     
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  6. Bogotazo

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    I actually think Casamayor is a really good balance...my own personal instincts were to go by 130, but he looked both offensively and defensively sharp, from a physical and technical perspective, against Casamayor. Gradual dissection, beautifully laid traps, and a late offensive rally that got him the KO.

    Two great performances at 130.

    I agree. Which adds another element to the question, since you can clearly see against Fedchenko that he's made adjustments to the way he fights defensive boxers. He many times has lunged forward without bringing his feet under him when coming forward, and you can see it throughout the first round of his fight with Fedchenko. But he then becomes more efficient in his cornering, ducks low as if peering through a window, and opens up the angles for his shots, similar to how he picked Diaz apart in the rematch.


    Funny, I thought the performance put on in the third Manny fight under Angel's program would tempt at least a few into picking the last option.
     
    Bogotazo, Oct 4, 2012
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  7. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    True.
     
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  8. Zopilote

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    I see what you mean with that.

    Which makes me appreciate that perofrmance by him that much more. Juan's physical attributes such as his speed, power and reflexes were clearly not the same in that fight. But his craft, ring IQ and overall boxing ability were still as high as ever.
     
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  9. PH|LLA

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    Should be multiple choice really.
     
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  10. PH|LLA

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    I would say from 126 to 130
     
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  11. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Definitely. Though they did the best job they could in gaining strength without losing speed IMO. His combinations on the inside during exchanges were often very speedy combinations that seemed to match Manny's flurrying speed.
     
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  12. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Bump.


    Real even distribution so far with 130 being the peak (the 4th option aside...though we finally have a vote there)
     
    Bogotazo, Oct 4, 2012
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  13. irishny

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    To be honest,Ive seen no evidence to prove that he isnt still in his prime.

    I dont care how old he is, hes looked just fine in his recent fights.
     
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  14. jeffjoiner

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    I'm going with 130. He was a more pure boxer and had a little more speed. I caught a replay of JMM/Pac 2 the other day and the speed at which that was fought was incredible. His style wasn't a little more aggressive than at 126, but he didn't get hit as much as he has lately.

    130 pound JMM is truly a fight fan's joy to watch. Footwork, timing, tempo. He had, and to a large degree still has, it all.
     
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  15. beefman180

    beefman180 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Voted for the LW title run.


    Though it's a really hard question and I don't think any answer is particularly wrong.
     
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