When was the first time a champion got stripped for refusing to fight someone?

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    When was the first time it happened and how was it received at the time?

    I think it's when ali rematched liston but I wouldn't be surprised if i'm wrong about that.
     
  2. quarry

    quarry Guest

    which weight class?
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Any.

    These days with all the belts there are a lot of viewpoints on what makes the champion the champion.

    At one time there was only one champ and he only lost the title in the ring or through retirement.

    At somepoint in history this changed and a man got "stripped" i'm just wondering when this happened for the first time.
     
  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm going to say Salvatore Burruni in the mid '60s. He lost to Accavallo and Takayama in non-titles but did not defend his crown against them. I think he fought Rocky Gattelari instead. The WBA then matched up Accavallo and Takayama for their title.

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  5. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I should mention also this started the wave of stripping a fighter as the WBA and WBC were now coming to the fore. It wasn't long after this that Laguna was threatened with being stripped. The Burruni thing was just the cork out of the bottle.

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  6. Unforgiven

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    The NY Commission tried to do so in the 1920s and 30s I believe, even against heavyweight champions such as Schmeling and Braddock - but the press kind of ignored their efforts.

    I know Charley Phil ********* was forced to give up the bantamweight title by the commission in the 1920s because he couldn't make the weight.
     
  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Thanks!

    So these were considered the leading contenders and due to berruni failing to defend against them he got stripped?

    Maybe he could nipped this alphabet nonsense in the bud way back then!
     
  8. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Hmm...I do recall BTM refusing to face Native American #1 contender "Irish" Bob Bigthorn stating "The dancing for rain business is pure malarkey. This is for the most prized title in all of sports. I shan't invite hoodoo into the ring with that on the line and that's the end of it. In my younger days, without such civic-mindedness and responsibility, I do suppose I'd have thrashed him so that he'd be incapable of wearing his gay headdress, say I! However, my fine, mature, civilized gentleman's stache hairs shan't tickle this heathen's hairless face in a clinch and this is the end of discussion."
     
  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Are you attempting to mention btm legitimately in every thread on the front page of classic?
     
  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think he could have, but let's face it, with 2 organizations back then looking for their fees, they were starting to see how lucarative it would be to have their own champion. So, even if Burruni would have defended against either of the two leading contenders, someone would have found a reason to strip him of the title as they eventually did with all the weight classes even if the reason was trivial. One of the most despicable reasons was what the WBC did to Ken Buchanan. He fulfilled a contract that Laguna left out there in order to keep all parties happy and then agrees to fight Pedro Carrasco, the WBC's #1 contender. However Carrasco claimed he could no longer make the weight and would be henceforth fighting as a Jr. Welterweight. So, Buchanan signs to fight Laguna in a rematch. With the contract signed Carrasco comes out of the woodwork and says he can make 135 afterall. The WBC insists he honor the original agreement. Buchanan already has a valid contract to fight Laguna and the WBC, instead of comprimising, strips Buchanan and schedules Mando Ramos against Pedro carrasco for the vacant title. It was never about the betterment of boxing, it was always self-serving and money.

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  11. lufcrazy

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    It's such a shame the way things turned. I believe these moments were the turning point for boxing and it's never quite been the same since.
     
  12. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    recent years Holmes who refused to fight Page and then Bowe who refused to fight Lewis I was just reminded of a few others with this subject but years ago you had to fight your number 1 or be stripped
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    That's the issue now with all the belts. Taylor getting stripped for rematching hopkins - the only man to hold all 5 belts simultaneously and they didn't even wanna give him a rematch. Scandalous.
     
  14. Flea Man

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    Alan Rudkin told me this the other week, this is the right answer!
     
  15. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    in jan of 1931, the nysac stripped max schmeling of their heavyweight title for not having an immediate rematch with jack sharkey. schmeling was still considered champ by the nba and the ring but this is probably the first time a champion was stripped.