When was the last time Bernard Hopkins was in a live fight?

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  1. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    There's much talk about Old Man Hopkins being a legend, a p4p great, the best of the middleweights yaddah yaddah yaddah... But upon closer scrutiny, let's examine the recent record of this character.

    Last fight: Winky Wright (age 35)- an old man himself, way out of his depth at 170lbs, doesn't possess any real attacking threat.

    Antonio Tarver (age 37) - Spent pretty much a year out of the game to film a Rocky movie and was never that good anyway. Got lucky by catching RJJ at the right time.

    Jermain Taylor (twice) - Taylor became the undisputed MW champ by taking Hopkins crown. We all know Taylor has poor footwork, is ugly and a light puncher and probably has a china chin waiting to be exposed.. a poor loss for Hopkins.

    Howard Eastman (aged 34) - Eastman was a past prime B level fighter.

    Oscar De La Hoya (aged 31)- A proven failure when it comes to the bigger bouts, a fans favourite, DLH has never been blessed with great boxing ability however.

    Robert Allen (aged 34) - Nowhere near a top level fighter.

    William Joppy (aged 33), Morrade Hakker (aged 31), Carl Daniels (aged 32) - see description for Robert Allen.

    So it seems that the last real challenge the Hopkins took on was Tito Trinidad in September 2001. Look at the ages of everyone he's faced since. The exception to the mid 30's lot is Jermain Taylor who he lost against twice.

    Bernard Hopkins, ring legend?? To me, he's a fraud.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Tends to beat what's put in front of him. It's worth noting that he was an underdog for the Wright fight, that was considered "live", although a lot of what you say about that contest is true.

    He may be overated, and i'm quite fresh to that opinion.
     
  3. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    i like how you left out that he was the frst person to beat trinidad. you are such an idiot. oscar de la hoya never had good boxing skill? Taylor has poor footwork? i cant believe you can even begin to start talking that way about hopkins and have joe calzaghe in your avatar. moron.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Read the title of the thread.
     
  5. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    Read the whole thing before you make yourself look like a complete ******... ******.
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Still, it is a bold claim.

    What of the fact that Wright was a favourite going into their match and that A LOT of people I know and on the boards were picking Winky? I mean , what is your definition of "live"? Hopkins is a notorios spoiler, no-one he beats is going to come away looking like Sugar Ray.
     
  7. David UK

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    Hopkins is horrendously over rated by virtue of his wins on the Seniors Tour and also that he is American. Remember he ducked out of a fight with Calzaghe once it had been verbally agreed.
     
  8. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    Wow. You say that Winky didnt pose any threat, even though he was the favorite, you claim that Tarver landed one lucky punch against RJJ, even though he lost a close decision in ther first fight and won UD in thier last fight, De La Hoya had little boxing skill, and Taylor has poor footwork, and you call someone else a ******? You are just taking away from the accomplishments of Hopkins opponents to try and suit your point. I dont have to try and make you look like a ******, you are already doing a fine enough job of it yourself with your ridiculous and flat out wrong analysis.
     
  9. KayEpps

    KayEpps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You just overlooked the rest of his career? Remember the 20 defenses that he made.

    Just like Roy was in the LHW Division - he beat everyone that was put in front of him. So when there were no more big names that wanted to fight him - people start saying that you're fighting nobodies.

    What would you be saying if he had lost to any of those guys - other than Taylor?

    His job is/was to win fights - and that's what he did.

    B-Hop is a Ring Legend - and he did it his way - almost to the very end. At least give the man credit for his accomplishments.
     
  10. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    When was this? He called out Calzaghe on national television
    after his last fight.
     
  11. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Fraud? Great wording....a guy who has beaten 3 future hall of famers, held all 4 middleweight belts, defeated 10+ world champion, held the middleweight title for 10 years, held the RING light heavyweight title, and made 21 total defenses is a fraud.

    Hopkins IS a ring legend...deal with it
     
  12. halfamazin1

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    That's funny, cause when he didn't fight these guys everyone was talking about how he needed to fight Eastman, they became overrated and "past their prime" once he dusted them. He was the middleweight champ and he fought them all as they came...he never waited to fight anyone, he fought all the top contenders while they were top contenders...if he made them look past their prime he must be doing something good.
     
  13. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I'm telling you all, Joe Calzaghe fans are all insane, including me.:yep

    Bad part is that I half agree with this, Hopkins' resume in terms of quality is not that impressive, however, Hopkins IS an ATG, he WAS highly avoided at his best and the reason his resume is 'good', is because he DOMINATED the vast majority of his competition.

    Anyone who flat out dominates for years over solid to good comp and makes that many title defenses is a great fighter, not only this, but his longevity is impressive.

    Not a top 20 IMO, but a top 40 of all time. Hopkins' career has been a pleasure to watch, but he absolutely CAN be overrated.

    However, to say he is a 'fraud' is just unspeakable. Taylor is a 'fraud', Hopkins was and is a bad man and a great champion.
     
  14. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I kind of like that teuton chick in your avatar.:yep
     
  15. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Yea you really can't overlook longevity.

    People will always harp on name quality opponents and that will never change. However common sense tells you that a man cannot make 20 title defenses without running into some real challenges. It just isn't possible in any era. Titles have changed hands on odds that were longshots on guys who were labeled easy HoF/great.