When was the last time

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Up the gut, Jun 19, 2019.


  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cobra Will Always Bite Back... Full Member

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    Duran was like 28 he was in his prime and put in one of the greatest performances ever I don't know if that counts
     
  2. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So many greater throughout history. So many.

    Recently... Kostya (Hatton)? IIRC Calderon (Segura)? Dawson (Ward)? A big difference is those guys were old and at the end of the run. If this is the end of Joshua's run, then wow that adds another point of emphasis to the affirmative here. Maybe Ruiz sticks around and is far from a one-hit-wonder. But he stands out as significantly and particularly inferior to the opponents which caused the "quit/TKO" I listed above and that you will find in almost all examples. Once again, THAT is why it is so bad for Joshua.

    It reminded me very much of Victor "I don't deserve to be getting beat up like this" Ortiz.

    I'll be honest with you, I try not to hold it against a fighter for saying "no" any more than if they stayed down past the ten count or if the corner stops it. You know when you are broken.
     
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  3. Maidanas Gun Tattoo

    Maidanas Gun Tattoo Member Full Member

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    Lacy was getting alot of hype back then. He was favored by many to beat Joe.
     
  4. JOSEY WALES

    JOSEY WALES Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Correct , I was here on the main board a few years prior to their fight and Jeff was all the Americans were talking about and rating but it wasn't just the Americans rating him if these boxing sites and press experts are to taken notice of , I was literally ridiculed and laughed at on a daily basis when offering the opinion Joe would be too quick for Jeff by posters and sports writers from around the world so that just goes to show how popular Jeff once was and how HUGE an upset it was ( to the majority ).
     
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  5. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Except he didn't say no.

    He actually, literally.... as in, literally, said 'yes'.
     
  6. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 October 31st, 2019 Full Member

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    Sometimes people say things they don't mean. Often actions speaker louder than words.

    I'm interested; based on all the evidence at the end of that fight: walking away from the ref when asked to walk towards, arms up on the ropes standing in the corner and not forming a guard (the guard he had formed following the previous three KDs), spitting out the mouthpiece etc, do you think he wanted to box on?
     
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  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Kirk you're smarter than that...

    Once again I'm not bothered by a boxer who does not continue despite being on his feet. Anyone that does probably hasn't had a grown man lay their knuckles into them or they have and they talk as though they live by a macho attitude while typing away on a keyboard. I do recognize I am in the slim minority, however.
     
  8. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not sure I've ever seen a boxer less interested in carrying on yet still claim they wanted to.
     
  9. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 October 31st, 2019 Full Member

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    Joshua's submission is right up there historically:

    1. Ruiz was a late replacement and a heavy underdog
    2. The fact he appeared to be out-of-shape was a huge contrast to the Adonis champion
    3. The defeat wasn't the result of some lucky hail Mary KO punch
    4. The utter one-sided nature of the defeat once Ruiz had got back up from the KD
    5. The unusual behaviour of AJ between rounds, asking for help like a novice in his first half a dozen fights not a multi-belt titlist
    6. Four KDs emphasised the unexpected beat down
    7. Rather than going back to fight until he was rendered incapable of doing so, he loitered in the corner resigned to his fate
    8. The fight was meant to be his coming out party in the US further exaggerated the impact of the loss

    All the above can be rendered all but irrelevant and it's historical context changed if AJ wins the rematch, much like Lewis' losses to McCall and Rahman, people will say 'yeah but look what he did when they fought again'...
     
  10. Up the gut

    Up the gut Active Member booted Full Member

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    I don't think it is, its not as embarrassing at all imo...From a monster, to his actions against Ruiz Jnr is very damaging. Jones Jnr got KO'd clean, I don't find that humiliating, your still a warrior, you just got took out !
     
  11. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Ill answer your question, but I have one for you as well.

    Have you ever been legitimately gassed out in boxing before? In sparring have you ever gotten to the point where your gas tank is empty?

    ...

    Theres a clear difference, to me, between an exhausted fighter trying to get a break and catch as much of a breather as he can, and one that is genuinely quitting.

    To answer your question... No, I dont think he quit.

    The guy looked the ref in the eye and said he wanted to continue. He'd risen from multiple knockdowns, was beaten up, and gassed. Yet he looked the ref in the eye and said he wanted to keep fighting. That he didn't say it with positive body language, or the way you wanted him to, given the context he said it in (beaten up and gassed) means you guys get to say he quit? Means you guys get to say nah... I know he said yes but, he really meant no, so... hes a quitter?

    Eh... to each their own, but I find fans with that level of toxic impudence, off of an assumption (youre calling him a quitter because youve decided to assume he didnt mean what he said) to be a cancer to the sport.
     
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  12. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    You clearly say

    "someone so highly rated by most, fell so hard"

    Roy Jones, without question, objectively, fits that criteria to a higher degree than AJ.

    If you want to change what you meant now... or add other criteria like how embarrassing it was, meh.

    If youre talking how far someone fell in terms of grace and rating... its clearly Roy Jones.

    And only in boxing can you fight back from 3 knock downs and have people on a forum talk about how youre not a warrior lol. Funny.
     
  13. kirk

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    Ah. So youre one of the people who think they get to call him a quitter because he didnt say he wanted to keep fighting the way you think he should. Got it.
     
  14. dinovelvet

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    Klitschko vs Sanders. Two round utter destruction. Sanders wasn't even prime , Ruiz was.
     
  15. Up the gut

    Up the gut Active Member booted Full Member

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    This, he come out of it looking stupid
     


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