When was the last time

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  1. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    I think he quit, because he knew he had nothing left ie: gassed. I was surprised more than I was judgemental. Based on his past record I don't think he's a quitter and you assigning me that opinion does not make it so. There is a distinction between quitting and being a quitter. The former is a one-off decision based on the circumstances at the time, the latter is a generic flaw evidenced on more than one occasion.
     
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  2. Up the gut

    Up the gut Active Member banned Full Member

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    Tbf, I thought it was crystal clear that im going down the road of humiliating or embarrassing with regards to Joshua. If it was just a plain and clean KO it wouldn't be half as bad, ITS THE MANNER of defeat
     
  3. kirk

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    Against Brewster, Wlad... in the last round, gets a standing count. Hes exhausted. Hes asked if he wants to continue. He says yes. He doesn't walk forward, he doesnt form a guard, and he actually says yes less directly than AJ does (because hes more gassed)

    How is that completely uncomparable to AJ?

    Its the same thing, just simply a higher degree. (Wlad being more gassed)

    I just find it hard to believe that anyone whose been gassed out can look at AJ and not simply see a gassed fighter thats willing to keep going. When your legit exhausted its not that weird to act like AJ did. Doesnt mean you quit.

    Would Wlad had been a 'quitter' had the ref waved the fight off right there? Despite him saying he wants to keep going?

    Meh
     
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  4. Up the gut

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    Nope
     
  5. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    So you accept when he said 'yeah' it was more an aspiration than a statement of intent?
     
  6. kirk

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    While I still disagree he quit... fair enough on the rest of your post. Indeed. There is a difference between quitting and being a quitter.
     
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  7. kirk

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    Definitely up there.

    Ruiz is prime and active.

    Sanders was not only past it but was a part time boxer part time golfer
     
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  8. dinovelvet

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    Klitschko vs Sanders. Ducked the rematch too. Joshua might avenge the loss and if he does , the first fight will be forgotten about. Just like Krushers loss to Alverez.
     
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  9. DoubleJab666

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    I think that's this fight in a nutshell... a AJ rematch win and most of the wrongs will be righted. But that's some serious pressure there. Lewis didn't rematch McCall straight away. There's no need for Joshua to go all-in on the immediate redemption especially as it is highly unlikely all the belts he lost will be up-for-grabs. A second loss to the same man would be near career ending. He just needs to fight Ruiz at some point in the next couple of years....
     
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    For the record, I do have the subtle feelings that AJ may indeed have quit in him. In the rbr, I actually posted "I hope he doesnt quit" because Ive always kinda had that suspicion about him. Im not trying to live in denial of AJ being a quitter. In fact if he does quit at some point, it wont surprise me at all.

    However, to me... especially given the context he was in at the time, you have to actually verbally tap out, to have considered quit, (in my view). Being too beat up and too tired to say yes the way you're supposed to... but still saying it, to me is actually showing heart.
     
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  11. Up the gut

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    A quitter has to start somewhere though lol
     
  12. kirk

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    Youre not wrong.
     
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  13. dinovelvet

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    Its a huge risk but the boost to his legacy he'll gain if he pulls it off may be worth it. Beating Ruiz in an immediate rematch would be a huge statement and puts him right back where he was .. but its a massive risk and its totally up in the air if he can do it.
     
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  14. Up the gut

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    Not really, the fight was a disaster for him, he has to go years before people erase that from their memory, maybe after retirement after a good career he'll get balance off fans, that's "IF" he can win the return. This could be the start of the end for all we know !
     
  15. Up the gut

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    Joshua has doubts now, I wouldn't be THAT worried with a KO as I said, its the manner !