When was the peak of Joe Calzaghe?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by horst, Dec 28, 2010.


  1. horst

    horst Guest

    There seems to be some debate over when Joe C was at his very best as a fighter.

    My own p-o-v is that the 2006-7 version was the best, as I honestly think the Kessler of 2007 would have beaten the younger Calzaghe.

    As I see it, Calzaghe improved with age and experience, became more seasoned, more adaptable.

    There is no way the Calzaghe of 2006-7 would have to go to an SD with a C-class plodder like Robin Reid IMO.

    IMO, someone's fighting peak does not always coincide with their physical peak.

    For example, a 28 year old Bernard Hopkins (1993) had better power and legs than a 36 year old Bernard Hopkins (2001), but the older version was a better fighter all round because of how he evolved with experience.




    If Joe C was not peak when he produced his greatest performance (Lacy) or achieved his greatest win (Kessler), then when exactly was he prime? :huh

    When he went to an SD with Reid in '99? :huh

    When he went 12 rounds with old Brewer and crap Jiminez in '02? :huh

    When he went 12 rounds with tiny, rubbish Salem and Ashira in '04-'05? :huh





    Anyway, I am aware of a perfectly valid counter-argument, so I look forward to one of the very few non-troll Calzaghe fans on here (Cobbler? Rock0052?) coming on here to discuss this.

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  2. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    Agreed. Hence why even though he may not have been physically in '05-07 what he was in '99 or '02, he was still good enough physical in the Lacy/Kessler fights and hit his peak in terms of his ring smarts and overall level of ability.
     
  3. horst

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    My sentiments exactly.
     
  4. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Don't know... Something I always wondered is, was the pre-slappy Joe better than the prime Joe? In his earlier career Calzaghe had real punching power, until he became Calslappy because of his brittle hands. So even if he became a better fighter, he had lost a lot of his punching power.
     
  5. LancsTerrible

    LancsTerrible Different Forms of Game. Full Member

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    Not a exactly a Calzaghe expert but I struggle to see how one can't vote for the period where he beat Mitchell, Lacy and Kessler. Lacy and Kessler are probably his biggest wins alongside Hopkins and both where good fighters who he convincingly beat.
     
  6. horst

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    This pre-slappy thing is a myth. His power was never particularly good. As PowerPuncher says, the commentators during the Eubank-Calzaghe fight remark on how Joe is known as a slapper. Slap-blizzard TKOs over utter bum journeymen on the way up do not qualify someone as having "real punching power".
     
  7. rambo99

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    Regarding his power, decking Eubank should count for something. Chris specifically commented after the fight that Joe pounched hard, and went on to fight Carl Thomson at Cruiser twice, without hitting the floor.
     
  8. bailey

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    When he was amateur. His hands were badly damaged before he turned pro and was told that he wouldnt be able to box before turning pro at one stage.
    He had chronic hand trouble throughout his pro career fighting with badly damaged and broken hands in many bouts
     
  9. tito44

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  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  11. Ben_UK

    Ben_UK Member Full Member

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    He got better and better, shame he could never use his broken hand for real power
     
  12. DDDUUDDDEE

    DDDUUDDDEE Undisputed Ambien (taker) Full Member

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    He had good power in his early years in my opinion, he did manage to floor Eubanks, who was one durable *******.
     
  13. The_President

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    :lol: Tis true! Anyone can plainly see that pre-"brittle-handed" Calzaghe's punching technique was still "slappish" even prior to his "supposed" brittle hands. He definitely was less a power puncher than prime Bernard Hopkins. I suggest Slappy White's so called brittle hands are more a result of his infamous career long terrible punching technique rather than anything to do with "brittle bones". :yep
     
  14. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Interesting question.

    There's a difference between physical prime, and mental prime - Calzaghe was a good case in point..... in that he had the best moments of his career when he was on the slide physically.

    I'd say 2006-7, even though physically he peaked probably in the early 00's.
     
  15. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe dropped Eubank heavily in the first , not something that happends very often.

    Joe was a great puncher up to British level , just need to look at the delaney fight to see this.

    From around the Sheika fight , he also showed good power , winning on cuts , but doing real damage.

    I think Joe then realised that if he took something off his punches , then his speed increased to a point where he had a distinct advantage.

    Joe stopped some good fighters , and they may have been TKO's , but I dont see many KO's on Hopkins record and he punched probably with equal power.