When was the Zenith of Ali's prime?

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  1. kolcade4

    kolcade4 Keep Punchin' Full Member

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    When was the Zenith of Ali's prime? What year and fight sticks out in your mind and why?
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Williams, Terrell and Folley. And of these I would pick the fight against Folley. In that one Ali not only showed off his tremendous athletic abilities, but also maturity and his great ring smartness against one of the smartest and most skilled boxers of his era.

    Folley after the fight: "He could write the book about boxing, and everyone getting in to the sport should read it".
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    God bless Folley, but that is one dumb thing to say.

    Anyone "getting in to the sport" should stay as far away from Ali as possible until they've learned everything else anyone can teach them, trying to box like him is dumb.
     
  5. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    True.

    Nobody else was good enough to pull of what Ali could do.

    I think Folley was making his point very clear though, "Ali is f'real yo"
     
  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    True. But I suppose he meant more Ali's tactical nous than technical one. Someone with well-developed technique and solid fundamentals can probably learn a lot from Ali's ring generalship.

    I would love to hear if flamboyant but tecnically sound fighters like SRL or Whitaker were influenced any by Ali.
     
  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Hard to say. Most of Ali's best wins are in the 70's, but most of his best athletic performances are in the 60's.

    I think Ali's best perfromance was the first Liston fight. He was fast, swift, and seemed to have good form on his punches.
     
  8. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Sugar Ray Leonard was blatantly influenced by Ali, and I think he has gone on record to say so plenty of times.
     
  9. Jack Dempsey

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    The Williams bout for me
     
  10. kolcade4

    kolcade4 Keep Punchin' Full Member

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    Mendoza, Does that version of Ali vs Liston 1 beat the Tyson vs Berbick version of Tyson? Also weird you mention that I watched both of the ali liston fights last night.
     
  11. smitty_son408

    smitty_son408 J ust E njoy T his S hit Full Member

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    1966. The year of Williams, Foley, and Terrell.
     
  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    Ali's prime ? We never saw it .
    It would have been the three and a half years he was barred from fighting,which robbed him, and us of his best years.
     
  13. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    The back to back Williams & Terrell fights showed just how much variety Ali had, that was his peak.

    For Ali to have fought Williams the way he did, looking energetic & flawless, devastating... you wouldnt think he would be able to change his strategy & style SO MUCH in his very next fight just 3 months later to put a controlled, calculated masterclass on a very decent fighter like Terrell, from a 3 rd destruction to a 15 rd clinic... it shows that Muhammad Ali belongs on the very top tier of p4p fighters in boxing history, any lower than having Ali on the top tier is an opinion I will treat with disdain, quote me on that.
     
  14. kolcade4

    kolcade4 Keep Punchin' Full Member

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    I watched the Liston fights yesterday evening as was ahh so so impressed with Ali . He did bring his unorthodox style to fruition during these fights though. I think the first fight was stopped in the sixth rd due to swelling on Lison's left eye I beleive . It looked like he could have continued though. The second fight when Ali caught Sonny with the right hand didnt seem like it was a killer shot. It looked like Sonny didnt want any part of Ali.
     
  15. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    dundee said we never saw Ali's prime and i believe him, he was approaching it at 66, he'd fully matured and lost that early vulnerability, i think it would've been between 67-70