When will the Williams hype end?

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  1. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    I doubt that he will beat Mosley easily ... Mosley isn't a slouch ... he can probably outbox Mosley but Mosley has power and a great chin !!

    This would be a great fight but I doubt if it would present much money for Mosley ... not enough to take the fight. I think Mosley's power would be the "x-factor" and he would be more than able to take Williams out. Mosley has long arms for a guy who's 5'9 ... hell he had a longer reach than DLH, Forrest & Wright (equal) and Margarito. His reach is atleast 25" which isn't bad for a middleweight.

    But like I said before, Williams is a "special" fighter ... he's fast, awkward, tall, great reach, good chin, and is a high volume puncher ... his agility is also top notch ... he can pivot ... he can side step ... and he doesn't have to be set to get off a good punch.

    The only thing getting in the way of that is maybe him underestimating a fighter ... but other than that, he's good to go.
     
  2. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I don't see a lot Mosley does with him. Yeah he has power but Williams hasn't been so easy to hit lately, he just occupies his opponents. With the height/reach he has over Mosley, he only really needs to watch out for the right hand. Williams chin also seems extremely solid, I can't see him getting taken out.
     
  3. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Williams has been hit before and been hit before easily ... Wright hit him, Quintana hit him ... Phillips hit him ... and so did Margarito ...

    He has a good chin but the chin factor goes to Mosley ... the power goes to Mosley as well ... despite him having some early KO's ... the stats show that Mosley has the higher KO pecentage and Mosley has KO'd higher quality opponents ...

    Mosley isn't a better boxer than Williams but he's a smart fighter and will make it competetive ... alot of people thought Margarito was going to take care of Mosley ... I didn't ...

    Mosley is also just as fast and has the ability to adjust to certain styles ... the biggest problem is the reach ...
     
  4. MasterFlo

    MasterFlo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You guys are crazy, there's a sign of how overhyped he is, Mosley beats PW easily. You think he cares about punch output? How many punches did Margarito get off? Paul's reach would be a disadvantage as Mosley would rush him and destroy him inside. He would destoy his body first and then knock him out.

    Go to the world video boxing archive, download everything you can of Shane Mosley and then get a huge reality check.
     
  5. fitzgeraldz

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    Paul Williams has good movement in the ring ... he might not have the reflexes to be a good defensive counter puncher, but once he's in a groove then he's going to be everywhere ... I think Mosley's power would be a difference.
     
  6. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Everybody cares about punch output if its winning rounds. He doesn't neccessarily have to hurt Mosley, infact its probable he wouldn't at any point. It doesn't matter a jot.

    Margarito is a fail of a comparison because they are compeletely different. Marg didn't get **** off because his routine consisted of plodding forward and throwing his arms like they were weighed down by ****ing bricks he was so slow, thats if he even got a chance before being nailed.

    Paul Williams doesn't even have to step up to Mosley to get his shots off, and he actually has the speed to match Mosley whereas the aforementioned fight looked like a snail fighting a cheetah the difference in speed was so apparent. Williams is a long, tall fighter, just like Vernon Forrest was. Not as technically gifted as Forrest, but he has unorthodoxy going for him which helps. Mosley struggled to time Mayorga, its a whole different ball game when a straight up plodder is infront of Mosley because he's a gunslinger.
     
  7. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    mosley is the only person at ww who scares me..... cause he can throw series of power punches... i still would expect pw to win tho
     
  8. stiga

    stiga Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i belive williams is overhype because his height and reach...but he is not there yet....
     
  9. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Did Pavlik's power punches worry you at all? :p

    Is that fight definitely on?
     
  10. booradley

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    Some aspects of PW get more attention than they deserve:

    Workrate: He is not accurate at all. He lands 25% in a good round.

    Reach: His overall reach is enormous because he has a broad back and shoulders, but his arms are the same length as Miranda's, and shorter than Taylor's.

    Division Hopping: He really hasn't done much above 147. At 154 he beat an old Verno Phillips. A younger, fresher, Phillips went the distance with McKart, lost to Ouma, and lost to Quartey. He beat Winky and that's a good win, but Winky is a natural 154, and had not fought in 21 months.

    Ironically, he's probably the second best middleweight in the world right now. He's probably the best at 154. At 147 we'll never know because no promoter with half a brain is going to let Williams anywhere near his welterweights.

    Paul is a good fighter, but he has numerous bad habits that will cost him big against guys his own size. Paul's trainer is an egotistical ass who is going to get Paul seriously hurt if he actually comes to the ring on Decemer 5th with his present attitude.
     
  11. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    You need a huge reality check pal. Mosley has problems with fighter 5'10 and over. The only fighter he beat that was 5'10 was De la hoya but in the rematch Mosley cheated to win and i thought as well as many thought De la hoya won the fight. It's ashame that most are very much underrating Williams inside fighting cause he can work on the inside very well. Now back to Mosley. I got new flash for you, Mosley don't have the same faith in you cause he even said that Williams style WON'T MAKE HIM LOOK GOOD!!!! <<<<What's that tell you?
     
  12. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    The onlything that scares me if Williams kill himself to make the ww limit if he does indeed shocking face Mosley in the future but if Williams doesn't kill himself to make weight and somehow face Mosley, i'll bet $500.00 on Williams to beat Mosley.
     
  13. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Cotto didn't hurt Mosley, he just kept him honest. Honest enough to get a close decision.

    Margo ran into SMM flailing and got outboxed and outpunched.

    Styles make fights, PW wins a UD.
     
  14. MasterFlo

    MasterFlo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Damn, I hope this fight happens somehow so you guys with your PW avatars can run away for a bit like after Quintana embarrassed him. Sadly after Pavlik steam rolls him it'll be back to guys like Kolle. I actually like Paul, he's very entertaining and the way he came out in the 12th against Margarito was inspiring. Mosley is elite and with Nazeem now he's actually got gameplans. Paul is very good, but in no way is up at the top with Mosley, Mayweather and Cotto. Also using Vernon as a reason to support yourself is horrid, we all know Vernon was twice the fighter. And saying he has problems with taller fighters makes even less sense, he spent the majority of his career as a 5'9 Lightweight, of course he was fighting shorter guys, Margarito is also a couple inches taller than him. And why did I just bother writing all of this can PW even make 147?
     
  15. EL CABALLO

    EL CABALLO Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Have been saying that 4 a long time now:Williams is a Ko waiting to happen. If Quintana did it, there's gotta be one or two more fighters able to outbox him for 12 rds., and even with more pop in their punches (Mosley maybe?, maybe Cotto) somebody will give him his second L ... Nobody can have such an "off" night for 12rds... Quintana can't be the only one... You make the math!!!